Igniton part fried

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evdjerome
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I have an RMartin EVD VRLA. After parking it today I noticed smoke pouring out of the opening in the plastic near the right handlebar. After letting the scooter cool down and after the smoke literally cleared I opened up the front end. It seems some part related to the ignition burnt out. See photos below. First pic shows it in the bike before I removed it. Remaining pics show the single removed part from different perspectives.

So, what is this part called and where can I find a replacement?

Ignition1.jpgIgnition2.jpgIgnition3.jpgIgnition4.jpg

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Iccarus
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Re: Igniton part fried

The same thing happened to my XM-3500 recently except no smoke, I feel like I got gypped mine just sizzled. I'm not sure where to get a replacement for yours, but in the meantime you can hotwire your bike by connecting the two wires that are on the connector that came off the connector in your photo. (maybe you already know this, but just in case) For now you could just cut the wires below the melted part and then attach an on/off switch, then attach the connector again and tuck it up under the fender somewhere out of sight. (that's what I did for now) You have to thread the wire down to where you can reach it under the fender. Hope this helps you keep running for now.
PS To make it clear, my issue was with the ignition switch itself.

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evdjerome
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Re: Igniton part fried

Thanks Iccarus, that is a good short-term suggestion. Would you know what electrical rating the switch would need?

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Re: Igniton part fried

No,but I just got a 16amp rocker switch at the hardware store and it's working fine so far. By the way I meant put it under the cowling where you can reach it, not the fender.

Bill

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Re: Igniton part fried

Im parting my Lithium EVD out. Motor, controller, batts, motor cover plastic right side is gone.

Have everything else.
dex

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Re: Igniton part fried

Have the same problem on my xm 4000 LI

It is very hard to find a switch for 70 VDC. I have found some, but they are hard to get. The best way is to trigger a relay, that will short the two wires, but i have tried, and it is a dead end.

I have been having a scooter on standstill for two weeks because of this!

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Re: Igniton part fried

Just a suggestion, did you check out: http://allchineseparts.com/index.php for replacement parts.

Also, now that we have access to E-Fun (http://visforvoltage.org/forum/8207-e-fun-experiences-and-development-prc-ev-vehicle-manufacturer-latest-products-and-develop), I wonder if they can steer you to a seller on Alibaba.com that has replacement parts.

Any ideal what is shorting so others could do preventive modifications?

Good luck,

IBS

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tdnevmo
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Re: Igniton part fried

I don't need a replacement, as the replacement would also get fried.

Well. To spare on the key lock, turn the key fast. If you turn it slowly, the spark inside the keylock will fry the copper connections. I have pictures of it :)

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evdjerome
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Re: Igniton part fried

FYI

Back in August I did order a replacement ignition module from X-treme. It was the replacement for the XM-3000 I think. It did work in my VRLA EVD. With shipping it cost around $50. Looks like now they have free shipping.

To find the part, go to the following page:
http://www.x-tremescooters.com/owning/parts/parts.html

Then put in "Electric Mopeds" for Model and put in "ignition" in the Search field.

The result you want is:
Electric Motorcycle Ignition Module with Key
Model: XM-3000
Model#: XM3000-230
Note: N/A
Shipping: Included (Free)
Price: $37.00 Each

-Jerome

tdnevmo
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Re: Igniton part fried

Thank you, but i dont want a new one, as it will fry just like the old one.

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IBScootn
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Re: Igniton part fried

Jerome,

I guess what I was trying to get to was if we could find a replacement ( like you did) and determine the cause of the problem, we might be able to provide a solution for other owners. It seems like this problem has come up a lot and nobody wants to get stranded with a melted ignition.

I would be interested in seeing photos of the ignition contacts. I am curious if they make strong enough contact that some of the metal parts could be coated with dialectic grease to provide some corrosion protection and protection from arcing.

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Re: Igniton part fried

tdnevmo wrote:

Thank you, but i dont want a new one, as it will fry just like the old one.

If you are worried about it frying again, then I'd suggest buying the same key switch as described, and use it to switch a 12v relay and then let the 12v relay handle the HEAVY current. That way the switch is safe from the high currents.

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Re: Igniton part fried

Yes you are correct, but i have not been able to find any relay that can run on 70 Volts. It is all 12 and 24 volts. But you are right, i could do that, if i had a relay that worked at those voltages.

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Re: Igniton part fried

One possibility to avoid the above problem is to turn the bike on with the lights turned off. The problem, as someone mentioned above, is the spark caused by turning the bike on. That spark will not be there is the lights are off when you switch the bike on. You can turn the lights on after that, and there will be no spark.

The caveat is that you will be possibly transferring the spark location from the ignition key to the switch for the lights. But if the latter is more robust, it may never have a problem.

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