yellow wrench, canbus error, won't go away
I hope someone can help me with some insights into a problem.
I bought a 2007 Vectrix with a burnt out motor controller last year and a mate has fixed it for me - he is an electrical engineer and also owns a vectrix. The batteries were very flat (2.2v) and the same mate also brought over an external charger to get the process started. I have since charged the bike on its own charger for 8-10 hours to the point that it switched itself off twice, the gauge is full and the voltage is showing 148.
The problem is that the yellow wrench shows while the bike is charging and, when I start the bike up, it goes through a normal boot up and then the yellow wrench and the canbus error come on 1-2 seconds after boot and then stay.
There is a video here - http://youtu.be/nfQVqQqxCek and a photo of the dash during charging here
When it is in this state the headlight is not on, the horn doesn't work, etc. I have tried start up with the side stand up and down - no difference and the side stand light doesn't show. I have tried rolling the bike around the shed to see if it was a "motor indexing issue", no luck. Interestingly if I roll it backwards quickly the reverse light on the dash come on.
I have tried starting it about 30-40 times either in quick succession or with a wait between tries, over a coupe of days now. I have also left the bike on for over an hour, but no change.
All other reports in this forum say that this is a temporary annoyance, but this is crippling the bike.
Any help, thoughts or probing questions greatly appreciated.
Is the kill switch off?
This could indicate a throttle problem
When you have the kill switch in the off position and pull the left brake, does the speedo needle respond to throttle changes?
Maybe the "burned out motor controller" is not really repaired?
How was it tested after the repair?
I bought a 2007 Vectrix with a burnt out motor controller last year and a mate has fixed it for me - he is an electrical engineer and also owns a vectrix. The batteries were very flat (2.2v) and the same mate also brought over an external charger to get the process started.
The charger drives most of the warning and indication guages IIRC (or it maybe the ICM)
The MC doesn't really have much to do with the horn and headlight not working.
when installing a new MC, you will generally need to recalibrate the position sensor
Theres a specific sequence of pulling the brake levers while turning on to get it to do this
I can't remember the exact sequence, but a bit of google-fu will get you there
It is probable your ICM and charger have issues
did you get this bike of charles?
he's been selling scavenged bikes for a while now
the battery at 2.2v means several cells are reversed and have been held reversed for some time
Those cells will generally have much higher self discharge, and won't be usable, but we'll come to that problem after the hardware issues are sorted
when you pull the brake levers, does the brake light come on?
x Vectrix, maybe the Control Module (ICM)has some kind of problem?
Yep its probably the BCM (body control module) behind the dash. They arn't coded to the bikes like most car BCM's so you should be OK to swap one to try it.
Just for kicks, disconnect the 10 pin gray connector behind the ICM. You'll probably remove some skin from your knuckles. Then see if it boots up correctly.
Hmm, I have a bike with a similar problem here in the UK. I have no power to lights, indicators , horn. No brake light. No 'ready' or 'go' light. The bike will charge up ok when it's plugged in.
It seems like all or the vast majority of 12v rail (and other outputs) doesn't work - I haven't had a lot of time yet to really get to get to grips with testing it but wondered if these symptoms point to something in particular that I haven't thought of already. As always, help very much appreciated. As the bike's not here at the mo, I can't remember whether the side stand light illuminates or not. Think it has the same roll backwards and 'R' reverse warning light though. I've not looked at the ICM, but am sure that I read another post a while back that there is a resettable fuse somewhere on it - is this the case?
Thanks chaps - will let you know how I get on, pending bringing up young family (i.e. progress might be a bit slow!)
Gerry, if you do get to the bottom of the fault, be great to hear about it. I'll compare notes!
Does the VX1 not have anything alike a DC/DC-converter that runs on battery voltage an reduces that to 12...13.5V DC to run all the currently not working paraphernalia? That is what all the cheapo electric scoots have, and the VX1 MUST have such a device too.
BCM is an auto electrical term, not sure what vectrix decided to call them. I do have one at home as a spare I can lend you to test if need be.
The 12V DC:DC converter is the smaller black block on the vectrix's MC board.
I have copy, I'll PM you a link
Just an update on my Vectrix. ITS WORKING!!!! Turns out a mate had a spare ICM in a box of parts that he bought, plugged it in, worked first time. That was four days ago and I'm still trying to explore the range/battery conditioning, etc. Getting it registered tomorrow. Happy Happy.
You have a mate who bought a box of parts, and one just happened to be an ICM? I want a mate like that!