Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

I guess the hybrids will end up having to put something like deer whistles (but within the human audio range) on them.
(There's got to be something better than that ... maybe a small transmitter on the cars and a receiving wristband for the visually imaired)
What about the Olfactory Impaired, they won't be able to smell the cars coming either ... Na, now that just doesn't make sense does it.

I can see where they're coming from (no pun intended), I'm sure something can be worked out, I doubt that there's any problem with hearing a hybrid at any rate of speed due to tire noise but if close and moving slow as near a crosswalk that's where the problem lies.

I can see it now ... a new law that all hybrids must be equipped with the same loud obnoxious noise makers that Ice Cream Trucks have.
or ... All hybrids must be equipped with playing cards and clothes pins which strike the spokes to create a motor sound.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

Okay Dave, I really like your comment on the "noiseless hybrid vehicles"
I just found it too comical and got a kick out of it.
Unfortunately knowing the state of California (which I reside in) they are most likely to create something as a new law for the visually impaired. I especially like the hybrid comment with playing cards & clothes pins lol.
Because really how many of us when we were kids use to do that to our own bicycles? I know I did!! Thanks Dave :D

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

Alternatively one can always shout "get out of the way I'm coming through!" Also there's always the horn - you know the device you're supposed to use to notify those others of your presence (not it's normal usage I know!)

All I need is some stupid chime to tell others I'm riding a quiet vehicle - that would put an end to my EV riding quicker than anything!

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

If someone runs over a blind person, it's not the EV's fault. Someone wasn't paying attention.

What about bicycle riders? You don't hear those until you've already sent one crashing to the pavement. And in NY, those little buggers are weaving in and out of traffic, not focused in any one lane and apparently not subject to vehicle laws.

Cards in the spokes... would that be aftermarket or a dealer installed option? :)

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

Revolution Electric Vehicles, LLC hereby pledges to beat BaseStationZero's price for cards to put in the spokes.

Now, that should speed up adoption, right?

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

LOL!

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

Hmm,... don't know about other states, but in WA, its the VEHICLE OPERATOR'S responsibility to prevent his/her vehicle from hitting pedestrians, regardless of their sensory, physical, or mental abilities/disabilities.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

Okay this is why I miss driving a patrol vehicle, usually the siren and the PA system gets their attention :)

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We have a Prius and I gotta say it's nice being silent, but can be a problem at time. Many times I've been stuck behind a pedestrian in a parking lot who has no idea I'm behind them. If I honk my horn, they get annoyed/mad, so I usually just wait until they get out of the way. I'd like to install a little bell like on a kids bike, just loud enough for them to know I'm there but not load enought to offend.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

LOL!

Just rev up your engine. They'll turn around to see where the sewing machine noise is coming from. :D

I have a small motorcycle horn mounted to the firewall in the engine compartment. It's just loud enough to get a pedestrian's attention. Might be an idea for others.

A little beep is usually all it takes to get someone's attention; if not, I flip a switch and hit the air horns.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

Quote:

I'd like to install a little bell like on a kids bike, just loud enough for them to know I'm there but not load enought to offend.

I'd go for the cadillac deal and ask for custom sounds. How about sounds out of speaker that sounds like huffing and puffing? For an electric car I'd like something that says: "non smoking car approaching...", perhaps with a digital voice. :-)

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If someone runs over a blind person, it's not the EV's fault. Someone wasn't paying attention.

I've been in a couple dozen car accidents from minor to...er...twice being transported on a backboard in the back of an ambulance to an emergency room. With that vast experience the lesson I've drawn is that the common factor in all traffic accidents is: Someone wasn't paying attention.

You can spin it with all kinds of justifications and rationalizations .. but that's what they all boil down to.

Nobody wants to be in a car accident. Trust me, it hurts a lot when a car hits you. Since nobody wants it to happen, why does it happen? Insufficient paying attention to the road and traffic.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

This may be another reason for adding a small Series-Hybrid On-Board-Generator (perhaps converted to running on slightly cleaner propane?).

I'm planning on building an E-motorcycle, and I thought it would be fun to mount the stock chrome exhaust pipes to the front of the battery, so this post gives an idea...an MP3 hooked up to an amp and speaker that broadcasts the sound of a motorcycle idling, and when I push a button, its the sound of a race motorcycle revving and shifting (I had a bicycle like this when I was 5)

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

How about the sound of a jet }:)?

A motor has an interesting sound to itself. If you hook a transistor/amp up to a lead on the motor, you can run a speaker off it and hear what the signal sounds like. Maybe modulate it with some caps or inductors to make an interesting sound. It would have to be on the low side (the one that isn't modulated) to actually hear what it sounds like, though. Otherwise, you'd hear a smoothed out square wave. Unless it was a brushless or AC motor.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

This is ridiculous. We already have too much noise pollution. I drive a Honda Goldwing because I don't want to hear my exhaust like with a Harley. I have TINNITUS and that kind of noise makes it really ring. I am looking forward to driving a nice quiet electric scooter. And yes, we have to pay attention to our driving. Like looking for kids that run into the street or animals. So same with pedestrians. We have to be looking for them even when they don't have the right of way. It does not make your day or theirs if you hit one. Remember this one?
Here lies Jonathan Day, who died defending his right of way.
He was right as the day is long, but he is just as dead as if he was wrong.

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Pure lunacy. I have ridden a noiseless vehicle most days of my adult life. It's called a bicycle. Bicycle versus pedestrian collisions are not that much prettier than car versus pedestrian collisions. Hybrids and other quiet cars don't change the equation a lot.

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

Okay, it's early in the morning for me so excuse the delusions. :)

Music sounds for a noiseless EV:

That shark scene sound from Jaws.
The shower scene sound from Psycho.
Anyone remember the 'music' on the 80's game, Asteroids?
Any background music from 'Boyz in the Hood' - people will think it's another driveby.

Or something like this couldn't be ignored:

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Re: Visually impaired protest noiseless hybrid vehicles.

How about crickets,waterfall,something soothing? I've been driving a prius for 3 years now and I have to say, it is a problem. People will step right in front of you in a parking lot sometimes. If I see someone who looks unaware of me I punch the pedal enough to kick in the gas motor. Now I have an electric scooter and that really is quiet. By the way a bicycle is a bad example as it makes pretty much gear noise when coasting or pedaling. love the jaws idea. Maybe that's the best idea, and a selling point. Everyone can have their own custom sound... wait someone might pick Sam Kinison (OOH! OOH!) or Sarah Palin. Of coarse some people might run towards Sarahs voice. But that might be a good thing... Thunk!

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