Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

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This alert was just sent out by Will Becketts of the EAA (Electric Automobile Association, not that other one). Read here: http://www.eaaev.org/action/

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The California Air Resources Board will be voting on March 27th on a proposal by CARB staff that would reduce the number of Zero-Emission Vehicles (ZEVs) from 25,000 to 2,500 over three years. This means the six major automakers would only make 840 ZEVs a year. CARB staff is proposing this change because the automakers say they cannot produce Fuel Cell Vehicles (FCVs) except in tiny quantities in 2012-2014. However, they have already proven they can produce battery ZEVs, and we see no reason to wait for hydrogen.

Please let Governor Schwarzenegger and the California Air Resources Board know your opinion.

* Step 1: Phone/FAX/write Governor Schwarzenegger (instructions below).

* Step 2: Write to the California Air Resources Board (instructions below).

* Step 3: Tell your friends to do the same.

* Step 4: Join our EV-advocates mailing list.

Follow the link for more info and specifics.

http://www.eaaev.org/action/

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Dennis
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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

We can also send him an e-mail. Here's the link: http://gov.ca.gov/interact.

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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

I sent the following message to CARB's Comments Forum:

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Subject: Please Don't Kill ZEV's again!
Comment:
I ask you to (1) re-commit to the full 25,000 ZEVs the automakers
promised, (2) create a separate requirement for plug-in hybrids
that lets them replace dirtier vehicles, and (3) provide
incentives for plug-in hybrids that have the most on-board
electricity storage.

The US has the technology to produce and sell battery electric
vehicles now to improve air quality. I built my own electric
motorcycle, because I can't buy one.

And I attached the following image:

Please take the time to send a message. Does anyone know if attaching an image of our personal EVs might help? I don't think it can hurt.

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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

Yeah, it's amazing how bad those auto manufacturers are at making battery EVs. I mean some guy in a garage can produce a professional result like the Electric Yaris - but the multi-billion dollar guys can't tie their own shoes unless there's a big enough profit margin.

Unfortunately, I'm not in CA so I don't think writing to the CARB would be appropriate. Even though we all know what CARB decides does impact all of the US.

Man, oh man! Come the revolution I know who I'm lining up in front of the firing squad first... ;-)

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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

Doug at EV Tech who worked for GM on EV-1 told me electric car technology with the current Lithium Batteries is ready for prime time right now, not 10 years in the mythical future like fuel cell cars. he said they can build cars right now with Lithium iron Phosphate large cell batteries and AC drive components that would have a 200 mile range and cost $35,000 if they were done on a production line scale. Here's a quote from an article about fuel call cars ""A fuel-cell car built with today's technology would cost about $250,000, but you would have no place to fill up the tank," Agrawal said."

One can only guess why 1/4 million dollar vehicles with no infrastructure have been chosen over viable current day EV technology available at 14% of the cost and where can plug them into your outlet in your garage.

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050510.Agrawal.fuelcells.html

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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

Reikiman wrote:

The California Air Resources Board will be voting on March 27th on a proposal by CARB staff that would reduce the number of Zero-Emission Vehicles (ZEVs) from 25,000 to 2,500 over three years

How did CARB vote?

Mr. Mik

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andys wrote:

Doug at EV Tech who worked for GM on EV-1 told me electric car technology with the current Lithium Batteries is ready for prime time right now, not 10 years in the mythical future like fuel cell cars. he said they can build cars right now with Lithium iron Phosphate large cell batteries and AC drive components that would have a 200 mile range and cost $35,000 if they were done on a production line scale.

We know his figure is pretty good since one of the refitters is priducing one very much like that for about that cost. And their production line is at least 1/2 unproduction, taking out the IC engine. Wonder how much cheaper if made in a run of 1000 from chassies with out running gear?

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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

Los Angeles, Calif in the news today. Seems like CARB should do smething.

Los Angeles, a habitual offender on the most polluted cities lists, was rated the most polluted city by ozone and year-round for particle pollution

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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

here is a "near ready" $30,000 -$35,000 80mph 120 mile range 4 door sedan that has passed the crash tests needed to be sold in the US. For sale 2009?

http://www.milesev.com/#hsv.swf

click on "our vehicles" and then click on "high speed sedan"

Still trying to use LION batteries though. those things make me nervous.

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Re: Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time

i felt that what really killed the ev one was not really the technology but the price tag of the technology. carb was forcing car makers to sell at a loss to sell enough units to meet the quota. so they had to fix it politically. gm's big mistake was thinking crushing cars would make a real demand force in the market go away. now several good market niches are getting filled by others, such as the prius, and all the conversion guys out there. gm should have at least sold the cars with no warranty on the battery if that was legal to do. for me, any car in the thirties is still out of my price range but that really beats having to afford a tesla. right on milesev. if i had 15 thou id get a used prius right now. will get one in a few more years, or convert something if lifepo4 prices drop just a little bit more. in any case carb needs to get tougher on the car makers now since for enough people it is affordable now. waiting for hydrogen is stupid since as mr begley says, the current electric cars only meet about nintey percent of our driving needs. but of course we americans would rather own an rv to use three holidays a year that rent one even if it makes a lot more sense. why we buy what we buy really isn't rational, it's emotional. pardon my one handed typing.

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