Volts Rider = Nova Scooters have "banned" me

Yeah, my account no longer worked either. I just re-created another account - and I'll see what happens.

I'm not sure what or who they refer to in terms of "posting here and then posting over at VisforVoltage.com in a manner that appears to once again to be some type of attack on Nova Scooters". But seeing as my account seemed to get deactivated in some way then I'm wondering if they're refering to me as well.

I'm actually trying to support them by making some initial posts on their board. I also just directed someone who inquired about the XM2000 to check out Nova Scooters. Hmmm, we'll see - it seems they're already playing politics - but I don't know if they've changed the wording relating to that.

I'll see if they delete any more of my posts (no big deals on the ones they did delete - they were just forum suggestion things).

Oh, BTW - I was one of the folks that first starte asking over here for people to put their affiliations in the signature field. And I did display my web site for the longest time - I only removed it because you can't actually by the XM-2000 any more. I suppose I should put it back at some point (just did, see below)...

Having personally witnessed the attitude and deceptive nature of the owner of (the months old) Nova Scooters/Volts Rider, I would strongly suggest not doing any sort of business with him or his associations; I feel it will only lead to more problems than would be worth for anyone.

Having personally witnessed the attitude and deceptive nature of the owner of (the months old) Nova Scooters/Volts Rider, I would strongly suggest not doing any sort of business with him or his associations; I feel it will only lead to more problems than would be worth for anyone.

Until as recently as this morning I would have (respectfully) disagreed with ArcticFox. Now, however, I too would no longer feel comfortable recommending Nova Scooters to anyone. This is based on their communications with me via the Nova Scooter's message board VoltsRider.net.

Here's the latest in my own personal soap opera (it helps to illustrate (a) my change of heart with regard to recommending Nova Scooters & (b) the sort of "devil my care" attitude that VRAdmin employs when deciding to delete posts.

Unfortunately I no longer have rights to post to the voltsrider.net message board (but as a note to VRAdmin - that doesn't stop me being able to view posts). VRAdmin took those rights away from me because I was classified as a "trouble maker". Here's the final post where they "explained" their reasons - they've since removed the thread (and another couple of threads and posts of mine).

"I'm not sure what or who they refer to in terms of "posting here and then posting over at VisforVoltage.com in a manner that appears to once again to be some type of attack on Nova Scooters". But seeing as my account seemed to get deactivated in some way then I'm wondering if they're refering to me as well.

I'm actually trying to support them by making some initial posts on their board. I also just directed someone who inquired about the XM2000 to check out Nova Scooters. Hmmm, we'll see - it seems they're already playing politics - but I don't know if they've changed the wording relating to that."

Yes, it was VERY transparent when a person from MICHIGAN emailed us, so we laid it on thick, by the third email when they asked if we knew JDH on V, it was obvious. And we gave you a glowing recommendation and told them to buy a Zap or buy something from you as they are outside of our current service area. Next time, tell them to fill the contact form out completely, instead of leaving a name like Mary T , then stupidly entering their phone number which we googles and it came up with their first and last name, in Michigan, then were like, isn't that odd, no last name, but they give us a good phone number, and they're in Michigan, just like JDH, and they have all these questions and want to buy a scooter. Good job Columbo, better luck next time. So far you are batting 1,000. The first round of your investigation got you banned from our email, now from here.

Go play games on V, from this point on you are a computer trespasser here. We blocked your email a few days ago, we let you on this site because the intent is for it to be a public site. You want to attempt to play and be all cute and innocent, not going to fly, go away. Then you're dumb enough to actually post on V that you have a ringer call us to pump us for info.

Why all the "subterfuge", do you people have a problem ASKING a question, THAT'S what started all of this you recall. ASSUMPTIONS AND INNUENDO AND NOT HAVING THE BALLS TO ASK A QUESTION DIRECTLY.

I'm actually trying to support them by making some initial posts on their board.

Thanks, we have all the support we need, give your support to that other forum, splitting your time between the two can only reduce the quality of your posts.

Thank you

No w I realize I have blocked your IP and you can't see this, so one of your cronies will have to mail it to you. Maybe MARY T can do it, I have her number, should I call her and have her relay for you ?

I was genuinely happy when Mr Mik posted that it appeared that Tracy Ingram was posting on a message board called voltsrider.net. I missed both the substance and the style of usatracy's posts. It's good to have someone "shake things up". So, I was happy when I made the assumption that ScooterTech was the same person that was usatracy on this board - who is Tracy Ingram. My posts in reply to Mr Mik's threads didn't seem overly negative to me - they weren't intended to be. I'm sorry that VRAdmin seems to have taken them that way.

Is the "MARY T" you refer to the same one who posted over in this thread: http://visforvoltage.org/forum/2878-new-member-z20b ? If so, you're jumping to some wrong conclusions. That thread is the only contact I've had with a "MARY T". You seem to imply that either I was posing as Mary T and contacting you or that Mary T was acting on my behalf? I assure I was not. I was referring to a completely different reference I made in an email I sent to someone on the west coast of Michigan just a few hours earlier today. That person had inquired about the XM-2000. When I'm at my other computer I can post that e-mail if you like? Mary T, if you get to read this, I apologize that you inadvertently got caught in the middle of this

I honestly don't know what question she asked so I have no real way of responding to this:

Why all the "subterfuge", do you people have a problem ASKING a question, THAT'S what started all of this you recall. ASSUMPTIONS AND INNUENDO AND NOT HAVING THE BALLS TO ASK A QUESTION DIRECTLY.

Now, it's quite likely you are referring to the "storm" that brewed up and resulted in you being banned or removed or whatever from this forum. If you recall I did explicitly ask the question "Is Karen your wife" in an email to usatracy [at] hotmail.com. I don't think I received an answer to that question - so do you not have the balls to offer a simple direct answer? Of course, I should have asked "what is your relationship to the Karen Ingram who is listed as the owner of Nova Scooters LLC?" (Yeah, yeah, I know you're not required to do or say anything - save it, OK?)

Quite frankly I'm fed up with being treated as your enemy - I guess I'll give up with (ignored) emails trying to make the peace with Tracy. So be it.

To those thinking of doing business with Nova Scooters - I expect that you will get exactly what is advertised. Just don't mention my name or you might get a free insult or two thrown in.

I have a forum that I could install for everyone, but since we already have have V, I see no need for another. :)

Hmmm...

Over on voltsrider Scootertech and VRAdmin (both likely Tracy Ingram) had a long argument with one of their customers. As I expected voltsrider then unilaterally deleted the post. In another post Scootertech (likely Tracy) boasts to the customer about the fact that he was simply posting to "trick" the customer into providing information (he references the original thread as a honey pot).

Be careful when dealing with Nova Scooters, this sort of deceptive practice (using a "honey pot") as a way of "customer service" seems like a bad idea to me and I just want to warn folks to consider what happens when things don't go well.

Ironically, Tracy had a similar battle and falling out with X-Treme when he asked them to replace his battery and they refused. Of course Tracy will tell you that situation was entirely different. But the outcome was pretty much the same: Tracy felt that he was wronged by X-Treme, X-Treme felt they were harassed by Tracy.

BTW, I have a copy of both pages from voltsrider - not sure it's a complete record (I gave up reading along after about 10:30pm last night) but it certainly shows the main substance of the interactions.