Ron Paul is our last hope

Oh please! I do give him credit for being one of the few who has a consistent record against the war we started in Iraq.

However, what's his position on the two most important crisis facing the US? Education and health care. If we fix education for everybody then the rest will follow. An educated population is far less likely to fall for the manipulations of the few in power. If everyone has a good education then there's more chance of an equal voice at the table.

The lack of universal health care coverage is staggering for such an otherwise advanced country. The cost of health care is financially crippling as well as lethal.

Improvements in both education and universal health care are good financial investments in the future of this country. However, while they might improve the country as a whole they don't make the current batch of CEOs & board members (and tomorrow's board members - currently in politics) richer. So, they're a "hard sell" and because both will take decades to really "fix" the natural short term focus in politics means it's nigh on impossible.

Hmmm, perhaps JY racing was right after all - perhaps a Mad Max scenario is on the horizon?

Ron Paul's position on these issues is to do nothing and let business be business. As an Ayn-Randite Libertarian, he believes that privatization of all public spaces and public resources and "free markets" are the solution to everything.

Been there, done that... The results of these "free markets" are well chronicled in the works of Charles Dickens, Upton Sinclair, and John Steinbeck. Or, if you want to see a modern-day example of Paul's philosophy, a visit to Guatemala, El Salvador, or Nicaragua will do.

To see an example of the results of rejecting Ron Paul's philosophy, visit most of western Europe - particularly Scandinavia.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Oh, c'mon... I have listened to him and I think he is off his rocker. But what you're saying here is implying that this guy can only speak absolute truth. The last time I checked anybody who is occupying a body has flaws and has limits to their understanding.

I saw him speak at a rally held on a lawn outside Google's campus last summer. The first half I agreed with and found it very exciting to hear a guy who agrees with my conclusions about the Iraq war -- that it's a total waste in terms of morality, that it distracted the U.S., that the guys who lied us into that war should be strung up as the treasonous bums they are. Oh, I better reel in that anger a bit or I might go overboard.

Anyway when he started talking about the evils of taxation he totally lost me. How can you pay for the government services and government infrastructure if you don't have taxes?

For example, John mentioned universal education etc.. I don't have any children so any money I pay that goes towards education services maybe is a waste to me, right? Well, no, it's not, because I believe that the better educated a citizenry we have the better this country will be overall. In other words universal education acts to help this whole country and it is a common good that I feel glad to help improve.

At the rally there were some John Birch society people handing out DVD's. I picked one of them up and watched it later. Ohmygawds what a load of XXXXXX. It sounded great, the DVD started with these wonderful myths about how wonderful U.S. society was in the 1950's and before. And this other myth about how enlightened self interest will guarantee that we all treat each other well, and that society will be great. Uuuummmm...

First, ask the Jews or the Negro's or others whether the 1950's (and earlier) were great. I understand (wasn't alive then) that there was rampant segregation and suppression of equality. One area I lived growing up, Johnson County KS, I understand that some cities in that county had laws prohibiting Jews from living in those cities. And it took the civil rights protests etc of the 1960's and later to establish any semblance of equality. Even today we're seeing the difficulty a black man has with being accepted as a valid candidate. And we had a candidate who is a member of the Mormon church, who also had difficulties because of that. And what about the recent treatment of people who believe in Islam?

I think the Birch people are lost in a myth-land and I think Ron Paul is right there with them.

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I cant believe I am hearing a rejection of free enterprise. It needs to be regulated but is one of the best thing we have going in the US.

Ron Paul is making very important points that people are not listening to. If we continue to spend the amount of money we spend in the military and in foreign aid there probably will not be a United States in the future, were going broke. And forget universal health care this country is already broke with all the money we owe and are spending on or giant military. The best we can hope for in health care is that the government stops taxing people for the health care they are getting now. Ron Paul say he would stop that taxation. I pay for my own health insurance but still have to pay income tax on the money I earn to to pay for my health insurance. We should at least start here. The big question is why haven't we. I guess we are an all or nothing society no compromising.

Eric Fisher

brother electron wrote

More than one person is our last hope, not just Ron Paul.
We as people and communities need to take charge to its former glory and return the power to the people.
A lot of folks also do not believe in voting anymore because some of them think that it won't change anything.
I find this hard to believe because if you do not vote, a lot of decisions will be made elsewhere because you didn't vote.

The war on terror I also believe is a war on oil.
"He will abolish the federal income tax and the IRS will replace them with nothing?" Gimme a break!

Eric,

US military spending, direct and indirect, is equal to almost twice the military spending of the rest of the world combined. If we dismantled the MIC and reduced our military to the sane amount needed to defend our borders, we would have plenty of money for both for free healthcare and free university education - like Europeans take for granted.

But it is exactly the "free enterprise" system that drives the military industrial complex. Making war machinery is very, very, profitable.

Starting wars to create a market completes the circle.
Cheney Coordinated Halliburton Iraq Contract: Report

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I agree with alot of what he stands for, but dont see it happening. Greed takes care of those who try to fix things. The founding father's didnt want us to have a central bank. So getting rid of it now would be a good thing, but how to do it? I have read that there is a buy out option, but I believe anyone who tries to get rid of the thing will end up dead.

It is supposed to be a limited government, and although I know things have changes and we have grown, I still believe it can be cut back a tad.

This government was created to help save our people from the dictates of a king who could make up any rules he wanted and take someones property, etc. Well, now we have a corporation (poorly run) and a corporation by term is a legal entity. Like a new person. You can't do anything against it as far as lawsuits etc, it has sovernty. And the state governments instead of being seperate from the Federal government, and each other, have become the new King's Lords and they copy what the king does. You have to pay for the privaledge of working to eat and pay for the privaledge of owning something. If you dont, it can be taken away from you. That is just wrong. I THINK WE HAVE GIVEN THE GOVERNMENT WAY TOO MUCH POWER OVER THE YEARS WITH THE GOVERNMENT SAYING WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU. The government cant take care of peoples every need, but the more we allow them to "take care of us" the more freedom we lose. We give up rights for priveledges and a priveledge can be taken away (ex:driving is a priveledge).

There are things we can do on a local scale to help one another, and our communities. Together strong communities make a strong country.

The federal reserve has inflated the monetary system giving credit to a corporation that hasnt been able to pay so far, Lets see a bank do that for us. And has printed extra money each year for the same corporation without increasing the gold to cover it (inflation)

With all our problems, we still have the best government in the world, but we as a people have to take charge again and let the government be there as a protector of our way of life. We need to make the changes together as a people. We have to, as a people, help each other as we once did. That way we dont need a government to take care of our needs.

An example of gold verses the dollar.
Back in the day when we used gold, a $20 gold piece bought a nice suit. Gold just hit an all time high, but it wasnt too long ago it was about $400 an ounce. at that time $400 would buy a nice suit, so the power of an ounce of gold is still about the same, but the Dollar which the fed keeps printing has become worth less and less.

Anyway, I'll step down from the pedestal and let some others take a turn

So I just read Ron Paul's position on health care on his website. I found it interesting that he is advocating a platform of removing Federal taxes and dismantling the IRS, yet the majority of his health care reform components involved tax breaks and incentives, such as allowing everyone to set up an HSA, or making all health care costs tax deductible. In the spirit of classic Ayn Rand Objectivism (as PJD alluded), this guy is so self-indulgent that he has developed compartmentalized laissez faire solutions to national problems that do not fit together as a whole.

If your tired of the corruption in the system, the answer is not to support someone who wants to dismantle it. We quite simply need to elect honest, intelligent people. I personally think it is a two-step process. Step one is to reform election campaign politics and make it so that we can actually elect honest, intelligent, moral people. Step two, as John pointed out, is to offer an equal, high quality education to everyone. Educated people tend to make educated decisions. Interestingly enough, Ron Paul's website lists education under "other issues" and in it, again, he talks all about removing public education and giving tax credits all over the place.

Do we honestly think that if we privatize everything that all of sudden corporations will start making moral decisions? Adam Smith made sense centuries ago. That time is over. If you privatize something like education, you may as well reinstate feudalism and round up all the poor folks into indentured servitude. What company will educate the poor? They have no money to pay for it.

Vinnie
Broomfield, CO

This is where that "enlightened self interest" idea comes in.. The way the Birch Society DVD described it, enlightened self interest means a realization that my well-being depends on your well-being. And that enlightened self interest means that I will take actions to improve your well-being because it also helps my well-being. If on the other hand I am selfish and act only for myself then it will eventually bite me in some way.

I'm not sure I represented that very well.

It's an interesting and compelling idea, because I think there is some truth in it. However... where this fails is the long history of (especially) corporations acting in a way other than Enlightened Self Interest. Someone mentioned Upton Sinclair and I vaguely remember in junior high more years ago than I care to count reading this book about the horridness of meat packing plants 100+ years ago, and it was that story which led directly to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). But there's so much more.. for example the Tobacco companies who knew for 40+ years that Cigarettes cause cancer but they fought anti-smoking efforts. And more recently the way the home loan industry screwed the system to construct shady questionable home loans.

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Hay you guys are depressing me , like even though I make all the changes that I can , The rest of the world Is going to continue on to the end well Isn' that what we wer told ??? take heart in your effort and just be a witness to the future !!!! and don't loose your hope !!!!!

thank GOD I wake up above ground !!!!

This reads much like John Nash's cooperative game theory. The problem with it is that it does not take conglomerates and corporations into account. As you pointed out, tobacco companies had no problem killing their customers. Why? Corporate execs aren't in it for the long haul, building something that they can pass on to their children. The rise to the top with aggressive tactics (many are not at all qualified for the positions they hold), make mad bank, then retire early with all kinds of investment capital. Its not like Phillip Morris has had one CEO during the entire smoking boom...

Vinnie
Broomfield, CO

I'll try my best to bring all of you upto speed with what the media ignores/covers up. please understand that these are not conspiracy theories they are conspiracy facts.

The media ignores Ron Paul, heres some proof(whatch these videos) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=media+Ron+Paul&search_type=

Lou Dobbs on the alex jones show part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD19BBNwhRI
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSDoyzMsdg8&feature=related

Zeitgeist the movie: the federal reserve part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUrib_Gh0Y
part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BVNN1wqw3k
part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPFgHF9VR4

New World Order(The North American Union is part of this plan) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=new+world+order&search_type=

Chemtrails (those white lines in the sky) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chemtrails&search_type=

Proof that the government and those that hide behind it were responsible for 911 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

The Disclosure Project(this is real I have also seen a U.F.O with my own eye's) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

There are way to many things that we dont know about, that the media and science institutions try to discredit.

If you watch these vids and research around the net, you will come to a conclusion that this site( http://educate-yourself.org/ ) tells the truth.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Step into the light my brothers and sisters and be free.
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Listen up America. We have been lied to, income tax is ILLEGAL! Thats right ILLEGAL!

Here brothers and sisters please check this out http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=income+tax&search_type=

Are you angry yet? I am.

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"Science is but a perversion of itself unless it has as its ultimate goal the betterment of humanity." Nikola Tesla

No, I'm not, but I am slightly bemused by your thought processes...

Perhaps Ron Paul isn't getting the coverage he WANTS, but he is getting coverage. Anybody who has an interest in following the political discourse can find plenty of references and in the internet age folks can surf and find out a whole lot about any of the candidates.

It seems what you're really saying is that Ron Paul would like access to the media so he can pervert the media to his cause rather than have it perverted to someone else's cause. Did mama ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right?

Unfortunately for him, he doesn't have a snowball chance in hell of getting his party's nomination. However Ron Paul is not really a Republican is he? He's a Libertarian - so why is he trying to hijack the Republican party? He should run as an independent. Then he can not have a snowball chance in hell of getting the vote in November (just like Ralph Nader).

Here's a conspiracy for you "Ron Paul is trying to hijack the GOP". (That's a joke by the way).

Candidates aside for a minute.

Let's scrap the Electoral College and have proportional representation. Let's face it the Electoral College has served it's purpose. In case the legislators haven't noticed - no one rides on horseback to the capitol anymore.

If we have proportional representation then the guy with the most votes would end up in the White House - now there's a concept, eh? Oh yeah, and it would have saved us 8 years of George...

"Listen up America. We have been lied to, income tax is ILLEGAL! Thats right ILLEGAL!"

*opens mouth to say something, then closes it, shakes head, and walks away*

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OK I'll say something we are in the end times this stuff is going to come to a screeching stop and most fools will not repent those who do are instructed not to try to flee or go underground for all have failed We are to be witness !!! and believe me Vietnam taught me a lot more about the tragedy of life Can you image no semis no food no fuel We are all animals and we kill our own kind to survive !! How long will a city last starved !!! I saw the face of evil and haven't trusted the Gov. ever since So talking about a problem is ineffective, acting on it is an accomplishment.

thank GOD I wake up above ground !!!!

You seam like someone who only listens to the media.

Step into the light my brothers and sisters and be free.
"Science is but a perversion of itself unless it has as its ultimate goal the betterment of humanity." Nikola Tesla

When someone makes a post like yours i can see that they are ignorant and that they dont know what's really going on.
Income tax is un-constitutional, there are no laws requiring us to pay for it. None of the income tax pay's for education or infrastructure, it goes straight to the federal reserve

Watch these
Sherrey Peel Jacson ex-IRS agent
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1jqLximBZI
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1r1hNjxVfU

Extra proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroN2uRbIMc&feature=related

If anyone tries to argue with me I'll know you didnt watch these video's.

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JCinStaunton wrote:

Can you tell me where you have traveled that would substantiate that statement?

In a number of countries, thanks to their "big governments" people enjoy free healthcare, much healthier food, a cleaner environment, free university education, guaranteed 30 days vacation per year, a year of paid maternity leave, a $14 per hour minimum wage, clean cities with fast frequent public transit, 200 mph intercity railroads - all this, and somehow, in spite of all this socialism, their economies are doing just fine...

Do they pay higher taxes for all this stuff? Yes - especially if they are rich. But is it more than what Americans - especially poor Americans - have to pay on the private market for just healthcare alone? I doubt it.

Also, when I consider that the US government that has killed or sponsored the killing of many millions around the world from 1950 to the present, in support of US business interests, the word "best" is not what comes to mind - More like "criminal" or "immoral".

I mean, I don't want to belabor this point, but I have always found something very unhealthy in this national conceit that Americans are The Best, do everything The Best and always have been The Best... in everything, Amen.

PJDinPittsburgh

PJD I like your attiitude. The way the country is run and how the media acts as a cheerleader manipulates people's minds and this encourages ignorance.

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Here are some more video's on taxes straight from Ron Pauls mouth.
Check them out
Ron Paul on taxes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyT3SBiTbpc&feature=related

Ron Paul on Federal Reserve, banking and economy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8&feature=related

Ron Paul: stop dreaming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8&feature=related

Ron Paul and Ben Bernanke:(Ben Bernanke is the chairman of the Federal Reserve)
part 1 of 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVCStbbIvDg&feature=related
part 2 of 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8pLpI5rzKI&feature=related

Ron Paul Schools Federal Reserve on Flawed U.S. Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozyw_b2Pcvg

Ron Paul Schools Ben Bernanke Yet Again 2-27-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldETRlhiXk

There are seriously way to many videos to post links to, please also look at the related video's on the right hand side of the youtube links.

Thank you.

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CHECK THE LINKS IN MY POSTS PLEASE!

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I would be all for that. The electoral college can serve to discourage some people from voting. If you are a conservative living in a predominantly liberal state (or a liberal living in a predominantly conservative state), after a while you might start to think that it does not matter if you vote or not since your candidate of choice will never win in your state. I mean really when was the last time that a conservative presidential candidate won in California.

I don't know about the others on this forum but I did not sign up to talk about some crack pot. I signed up to talk about electric vehicles. I think this post (dead horse) has been beat to death enough. The idea of the politics topic, in this forum, is to talk about "electric vehicles in politics" NOT politics in general. If you want to talk about politics in general go to the political forums.

STOP!!!

Chas S.

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We (the moderators) also decided to make this clearer, and change the name to 'EV Politics' ...

FWIW the information brother electron is posting about Ron Paul etc may be true even though it is not accepted by the mainstream public. Be that as it may, this site is clearly focused on electric vehicles. The political system has a role here in that politicians make society-wide decisions that impact the acceptance of electric vehicles.

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So that other's are not disappointed I want to point out that I watched the first two videos and they don't offer proof. They show a nice lady, ex-IRS auditor who tells you that she did a lot of research and came to the conclusion there is no law requiring you to file your income taxes. The third video is about someone found not guilty in Illinois state court after being charged for not filing taxes. A juror says there was no federal law presented, therefore she voted not guilty. The last minute quickly mentions other cases of people charged by the IRS and found not guilty.

On the positive side, the videos are entertaining, although there is some conspiracy going on because they download extremely slow. haha

>Income tax is un-constitutional,
What does amendment 16 to the U.S. Constitution say?

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Thank You ALL , The bigest hurtle Is City , County < state Gov. laws were written before Ev trans . was around and to ride scooters or evcars over 24mph is regulated by each county and the state says they can' intrude on county rights with one person or a few the county is RELUCKTENT to change + city and county gov is already the old boy system Every ev'er needs to help speek up for change from state down and city up !!!!! idea State could create new class , for ev only ??? no spell check ! Later

thank GOD I wake up above ground !!!!

I should just listen to you instead? Or the nice lady who used to work for the IRS (thanks Dan for the report!)?

Actually I do listen to the media - but I also critique what they're saying and I listen to more than one source. How do you get your news? What you're really implying is that I only listen to the media you have defined as corrupt - which media outlets are those in particular? Or, if you really do mean all media then should we only get our news first hand? Have you been to Iraq lately? I assume not - so how do you get information about the conflict? Do you rely only on what Ron Paul tells you? That sounds risky to me. Do you only listen to service men and women who you've spoken directly to? Also that likely results in too small a sample size.

However, I'll play along though. Assuming we all stop paying our income tax then how will you pay for services? Are you implying that indirect taxation is enough? Are you a libertarian and reckoning that "every man, woman and child" for themselves is most appropriate? Are you a communist assuming that the state should control all resources? Or something else? Given the title post I assume you're a libertarian. So, without income tax how are you going to pay for things? Don't say "by pulling out of Iraq" because the military is paid for tax dollars and you're going to get rid of the biggest chunk of those by repealing the income tax (and I don't think you can sell off the military hardware already purchased on ebay!).

To respond to PJD's comments about governments - I think I like the Finnish one the best... (of course I only think this because of something I learned by my rabid desire to listen to media - but do you know which media source?)

Come on people, its time to wake up.

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I agree that it's time for the general public to wake up. I keep wondering where is the outrage over all the ridiculosity that's going on..

However, is 'Ron Paul' the answer? Geesh, not in my book. And now that I think about it, I'm leery of the tone of this whole thread.. making the assertion that 'Ron Paul is our last hope' strikes me as the same as how some religious say theirs is The One True Religion and the only way to be Saved is to follow THAT religion. I have studied enough spiritual teachings to know that there are core principles in every religion, that there are good and bad points to every religion, and I think there is not One True Religion, but that instead as works of Man all the Religions have some flaws but that they all are pointing in the general direction of the Truth. I think the same would hold for any politician.

e.g...... Ron Paul isn't the only one who has taken strong stands against the war, nor the only one who has called for impeachment, etc. My preference, Dennis Kucinich, has done the same. Kucinich is a much closer match to me, heck he even believes in UFO's! Unfortunately Kucinich also ran into problems getting the media to pay attention to him, and eventually dropped out.

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Ron Paul is the only one that makes sense if you know whats really going on.

Truth crisis
(1of3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnkvHiUvkcI&feature=related
(2of3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnGJFLtNQj0&feature=related
(3of3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KAvW4y4m7g&feature=related
Ron Paul will stop ChemTrails
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo09Lvhqs3g

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brother electron wrote

Hmmmmm; in the words of Charlie Brown

Oh Good Grief!!!!

You see, the problem with Ron Paul is that he says one thing, and does another in his private life. He makes it seem like what he wants is freedom and liberty from government, but what his personal agenda seems to display is a man who knows that "leaving it up to the states" and "eliminating unnecessary aspects of the federal government" is just another way to get the radical right-wing agendas implemented. He can't make it happen on a federal level (and he has tried) so he is trusting that if we leave something like abortion up to the states, that the "deep red" states will make it illegal. Same for prayer and creationism in public schools, and environmental concerns.

If you examine the man's record-- not just his voting record, but the bills he's put forth and the causes he has been involved in-- you see the bigger picture, and it's not a very pretty (or liberal) one.

Ron Paul is well-known as a neo-Confederate. Let me say that again: Neo-CONFEDERATE. Simply put: He is associated with groups that believe that the policies of the Confederate States (including their policies on civil rights) were the correct ones. This is why openly racists like the KKK, White Aryan Nation, and David Duke support him so fervently. He is not open about his racism, but he makes it clear with his neo-Confederate policies that he wouldn't have any problems with individual states, or communities, making discriminatory laws. That's all part of his "leave it up to the states" agenda.

Even if you ignore ALL the proof that the man is a neo-Confederate, you cannot ignore some of his more bone-headed policies:

He is a strict isolationist. Foreign policy? He really has none, except that he does not want to get involved with other nations at all. Not for good purposes, or for bad ones. He opposed the Iraq War not because he has an objection to the war itself, but because his America would not interact with the rest of the world at all unless there was no other choice.

He is a devout Christian evangelist. A Baptist, actually. He does not believe in evolution. He does not trust in science to find the answers, but to his faith (and his faith alone). That may be fine for him, but it's not fine for all of us. His religious beliefs guide his choices-- He opposes abortion. He supports prayer in public schools. He supports the teaching of creationism in public schools and does not believe evolution should be taught (because it's "only a theory", which is shameful talk for him. As a doctor, he should understand what "theory" means within the realm of science.)

As I said previously, his whole "Leave these matters to the states" stance on these issues is a backhanded way to make sure that SOME states and localities will make laws that reflect his personal religious view-- His own home state would likely be one of those.

Just take a gander at his "We The People Act" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_People_Act

Oh, and let us not forget the near anarchist goals he has... Abolish the Federal Reserve, IRS, FBI. and CIA?

The man actually wants to eliminate taxes and "allow" local communities to fund their own public works! I don't know about you, but as a proud American I have no problem paying my taxes-- I happen to LIKE having things like roads, police, firefighters, public health organizations, and--well-- an infrastructure. Under Ron Paul's policy of "no taxes" and few (if any) government-run agencies, we'd have PRIVATIZED police, firefighters, and other public services.

Of course, Ron Paul and his supporters say that in the absence of a tax-funded infrastructure, we'd have a country where communities come together and form these organizations because of a sense of civic duty. In their fantasy world, no private companies would come along and turn our police into mercenaries, or charge us on a per-fire basis for firefighting services. People would just volunteer out of the goodness of their hearts, and the corporations would NEVER take advantage of such an open playing field...

Riiiiight.

Worse, we'd have a country where the states can break off into little city-states each with their own laws regarding civil rights, religious freedom, and personal freedoms. In Indiana, for example, the state government could make abortions completely illegal, but in neighboring Michigan, they could make them legal.

Of course, then we'd see refugees leaving Indiana to go to Michigan for abortions. If the laws were really religiously biased, we might see members of other religions, or atheists rushing from one state to another to avoid persecution under their home state's laws.

Limited federal government under the "We The People Act" would mean that we couldn't protect our freedoms by going to the Supreme Court to challenge their Constitutionality. If your home state says it's illegal for your community library (non-tax-funded, of course) to carry the book "Lolita" because of their obscenity laws, you couldn't challenge it.

He says he's a "Constitutionalist" but he pretends to believe that allowing states the right to interpret the Constitution at a state or community level isn't going to become a complete mess, where some states allow some rights, while others forbid them.

I'm sorry, but he's an established racist. A proven neo-Confederate. An isolationist. A fundamentalist. He's in opposition to everything I believe in as an American. Under Ron Paul, America would be torn apart and people would be forced to fend for themselves. That's great if you're rich and powerful and white, but not so great if you're not rich, not powerful, not white, not straight, not Christian, and not part of the majority. Ron Paul's America would be a bleak place where private corporations would control even MORE of your life, because they'd be the only ones rich enough to rescue us from a land without tax-supported public works.

He lies because he knows that the propaganda film "Zeitgeist" has been viewed by a lot of younger people, and people who are just prone to believing conspiracy theories. But that movie doesn't tell the truth. It warps it. It bends it to support the conspiracy theories it sells. The film has no references, no evidence, and is largely hearsay. Large chunks of it have been debunked, and not just because some shadowy organization made it so.

I've got news for you: The Bilderbergs and Rockefellers don't want to put RFID chips in your body. They don't even know you exist, and what's more, they don't CARE. The Illuminati is not out to get you. The bleak picture painted by "Zeitgeist" is not a true picture. It's the stuff of science fiction. It's the stuff of cyberpunk novels and dystopian nightmares.

Sure, it is based in SOME truths, but most of these truths are not sinister plots-- They're the efforts of greedy people to make more money. These SAME people would waste no time taking advantage of a nation that would be so weakened and rendered lawless under Ron Paul's rule.

Oh, and finally, let us not forget that the man wants to legalize ALL guns-- Even fully automatic military-grade ones with armor-piercing rounds-- and ALL drugs.

There's a nice thought: A society where military-grade guns are legal (without a background check), and cocaine is 100% legal, and your local police department is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Blackwater corporation and they charge by the hour. Good luck with that when your coked-up neighbor comes over toting an AK-47 to complain about your radio being too loud.

And if he kills you, it's not even going to trial. Courts are tax-funded. No IRS. No courts. They'll just shoot him and send your wife the bill.

LaughsAtSpandex wrote

I'd have to say that I agree with your statement, and thank you for pointing those things out.
If we didn't have any of these things there would be complete HAVOC everywhere (more so than normal).

Sorry to reply to my own post, but this is a very separate thought.

I just wanted to apologize for getting on my high horse and ranting up there. I see a lot of young people swaying toward Ron Paul, but not really reading up on the guy. All they know is what the propaganda videos on YouTube tell them, and that he will legalize drugs. That's no reason to vote for someone.

I honestly don't know what his stance is on alternate forms of energy, but considering his stance on so many other things, I cannot imagine that he would be a proponent for environmental concerns. His policies all seem to point toward handing the country over to private corporations and weakening the government so it CAN'T make laws regarding energy policies.

My rant above is not relevant to the EV Politics topic, and with Ron Paul, I don't think there's any real EV political point that can be made. I'm sure he'd say the same thing he always says: "Leave it up to the states to decide."

I liked Kucinich too. He was probably the best when it came to EV political policies (or at least general environmentalism) but he's no longer a choice. The media has decided he's "too liberal" and he has been pushed out of the election... Or maybe the People decided that. Either way, we won't see Kucinich in the White House any time soon.

I'm leaning toward Obama. He seems to see that the People are struggling, and that we need some significant changes in the way things are done. He seems to be on-board with environmentalism. He seems to "get it" when it comes to the fact that the voters are sick of politics all being about money, business, and who can afford the best lobbyist (and how much the lobbyist can promise the politicians).

Clinton seems to want to maintain that Washington D.C. status quo. She might lean it to the left a bit, but she's not doing much to convince me that her policies would be that different from John McCain's policies. Her campaign manager recently declared FOX News "Fair & Balanced" for supporting her campaign.

THAT makes me think again about my support for her. How deep into the machine is she? What happened to those idealistic people I saw in the 80s? Who replaced the Clintons with someone else?

Personally, I think Obama's the best bet for a solid environmental policy-- Not just supporting environmentally-friendly changes, but in appointing people to departments that impact the environment. Under Bush, we've got lobbyists from the industries that are under the jurisdiction of individual departments of the government being appointed to those positions. When you make former oil company lobbyists into environmental secretaries, you pretty much sell us all out.

WHOEVER wins the election, I hope the first thing they do in regards to the environment is to pull out all the EPA reports that were censored by the Bush Administration and enact measures in accordance with the EPA's recommendations.

The second thing they should do is appoint Al Gore to a cabinet position.

Looks like Wesley Snipes was listening to our sub atomic sibling on the federal tax issue.

http://www.fun-ev.com

Yup doin' time in the slammer ya don't pay taxes it's a crime punishable by law which is considered a "White collar" crime. Just because you are a celebrity doesn't exactly mean that you will get away with not paying your taxes, you will eventually get caught. But three years isn't too bad