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I think we'd see solar everywhere in the USA if it hit $1/watt somehow.

They were supposed to come out with polymer solar cells last year or this year or something like that at $2/watt but from everything I've read it's still not ready.

But cheap solar won't help transportation. What we need is cheap batteries. If LiFePo4 was somehow one tenth the price, oil use would become a fraction over a few years. They solved the high capacity battery safety issue, just not the cost issue.

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I'd settle for 2 bucks a watt, like ovonics promised us in who killed the electric car, but thier product hit the market at about 8 bucks a watt. If my electricity costs were fixed, I could afford the high dollar lithium.

Deron, if you think Iraq was behind 911 you are as smart as Cheney and Rumsford. Sheesh how did that idea ever even get started? Of course now that we let em in, Al Qaida has peolple there. No way were they risking Saddams type of torture before.

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I wish people would read and understand what other people write before they reply, makes it real hard to get a point across.

Deron.

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Well, following the news lately, it seems all is not lost. People have hit a wall, they really want to be able to afford to heat their houses, drive their cars and not have to take out a second on the house to buy food. Looks like the politicians are reading the writing on the wall, at least some are, they are proposing coming up with more energy.

I do not know about you guys but I see people conserving like crazy, but it's not working and I do not know if people can come to grips with doing with even less and even higher prices. It looks like it's going to get even worse over the next few years, as it will take time to ramp up more sources of energy.

Lets just hope there is not some major crisis in the energy pipeline till we get more energy online, or we could be looking at a rationing like some other countries are already doing:(

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Two dollars a watt delivered, not promised is what i need to put 4 kw on my roof. The only thin film I've seen actually for sale is abut 7 or 8 bucks. Like cheap lithium, we're patiently waiting. Takes twice as much area too, so i'll need 25% more if I go thin film. Only so much good south roof.

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Deron, you said they hit us and we hit them back, I assumed you meant Iraq hit us, When? Iraq hit, Iran, and hit Quwait, Al quiada hit us, when did saddam ever hit us? I try to understand others posts, but that one only reads one way to me.

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I guess you missed it in my other post on this thread. I said I never believed that we attacked Iraq because they were in cahoots with Al Quiada. I believe we attacked Iraq to put it out there that we would go after someone if we were attacked again. What I believe this would do is put the fear in other countries leaders heads of being taken over or attacked by the US if another 9/11 should happen. These countries would then think twice about supporting or harboring terrorist. Look what happened when we did nothing when the US was attacked several times leading up to 9/11. The terrorist just kept attacking us in different ways, the bigger attacks everyone knows about, the truck bombing of the barracks that killed 250 solders, the attack on the Cole, the first attack on the Twin Towers.

It kind of reminds me of a kid that used to sit behind me in sixth grade, he used to pick on me, saying stuff and bugging me. Well one day in class he started to flick my ears, I kept telling him to stop, he just kept doing it till I turned around and beat the daylights out of him. It never happened again and all of a sudden he wanted to be my friend.

Thats the way I see the situation, no will care or listen until you Kick the living daylights out of someone. Iraq just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, we used them as a example.

Right now it looks like Israel is going to bomb Iran, with the USA's blessings. Israel is not even going to wait till Iran has the bomb, let alone be attacked by them.

Deron.

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And why do you think OBL attacked NYC? I'm betting you don't know your war (ahem, governmental conflict) history. I'll give you a hint: Who backed who in 1982?

On another note, in this 2004 transcript on Aljazeera.net, Message to Americans, Osama talks about being "involved in this policy of attrition in America to the point of bankruptcy". And today the US is $9.2 Trillion in debt? Interesting "war".

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AF,

Good points.

Deron,

If you really need to know "Why they hate us" please read "Killing Hope - US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, by William Blum.

The events of Sept. 11, 2001 wer just a small taste of the atrocities the US, it's dictator friends, and it's very special friend Israel has committed over many years on people around the world.

Many millions have died for merely wanting to pursue an economy independent of US domination.

Please get educated.

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LOL! Slam!

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deronmoped wrote:

... I believe we attacked Iraq to put it out there that we would go after someone if we were attacked again. What I believe this would do is put the fear in other countries leaders heads of being taken over or attacked by the US if another 9/11 should happen. These countries would then think twice about supporting or harboring terrorist. ...

The point is Iraq wasn't supporting or harboring terrorists, but attacking them has increased dramatically the number of religious fighters in Iraq. In reality we have increased our risk by attacking someone for no apparent reason.

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DanCar wrote:
deronmoped wrote:

... I believe we attacked Iraq to put it out there that we would go after someone if we were attacked again. What I believe this would do is put the fear in other countries leaders heads of being taken over or attacked by the US if another 9/11 should happen. These countries would then think twice about supporting or harboring terrorist. ...

The point is Iraq wasn't supporting or harboring terrorists, but attacking them has increased dramatically the number of religious fighters in Iraq. In reality we have increased our risk by attacking someone for no apparent reason.

I do not see it that way, I believe a strong offense is the best defense.

You need to catch up too, the tide has changed in Iraq, roadside bombings and fatalities are down 90%.

The religious fighters are now on our side providing intelligence against the terrorist. Seems these "Religious Fighters" will do anything for a buck.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-06-22-ieds_N.htm

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PJD

Believe me, I know it's a cruel world out there and the USA is no Shirley Temple. But the USA is still the best place on the planet to live.

If you compare the USA to other regimes you find out real quick why people by the millions risk their lives breaking into this country.

Here is a list of people that you really, really do not want running around on the planet.

Joseph Stalin, over 20 million murdered.

Adolph Hitler, over 20 million murdered.

Mao Tse-Tung, over 20 million murdered.

King Leopold II
Kaiser Wilhem II
Czar Nicholas II
Enver Pasha
Vladimir Lenin
Emperor Hirohito
Hirota Koki
Tojo Hideki
Chiang Kai-shek
Ho Chi Minh
Kim II Sung
Yahya Khan

SADDAM HUSSEIN

These guys were only responsible for murdering at least a million people.

You also have to remember that here in the USA we "elect" our representatives, there for, like it or not, they reflect our society as a whole. We put these guys into office, we are ultimately responsible for what the USA does!

Deron.

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Wonderful. Lets make enemies and go bankrupt by trying to be the worlds police.

In the U.S.A. the candidate with the most money wins 95% of the elections. If you study voter habits, voters primarily vote based on name recognition. Yes, it is a corrupt system.

You claim the USA is the best place to live. If you lived elsewhere like Denmark, Germany, Japan, etc... you would believe they are the best place to live and would cite various examples to support your claim.

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American people (as well as the rest of the world) need to stand up and make changes in the world.

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Yeah most people do not get out and get educated on what is good for the country as a whole. They vote one way because Ophra says so or another way because they saw someones yard sign or the news media makes up their mind for them. If they are educated about their vote at all it's usually in self interest, "forget everyone else, I want my check". But then again there is quite a few out there that do bother to follow what is going on around them, besides whats on TV, and try to make a informed vote that makes life better for everyone.

I know there are some pretty cool places out there to live, but I do love the USA.

You should pick better examples, those places were not so great towards the end of WW II and for quite a while after that, I would not have wanted to spend my childhood in East Germany:)

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If you look up happiest country to live you will find Denmark. If you talk to a German they say their standard of living is better than the U.S. because they get 6 weeks vacation a year and only work 36 hours a week. And the Japanese will say they are richer.

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Man that is going backwards for me. I get over 40 weeks of time off every year. They work way too hard :)

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Sorry to veer off the GW train, but I had to jump in here:

"Bringing the fight abroad so we wouldn't have to deal with it here" is just another Bush Administration sound bite.

Bush as "Idiot Leader" was one of the most brilliant distractions the Neo-Conmen could have created. As they proceded to implement their "Plan for a New American Century" (i.e. US World Dominance), they needed to make it look like they were just the guy's next door - just "Reglar God Fearin 'Mericans" - as opposed to the international power cartel that they were. Bush totally deflects our attention from the mastermind Hawks behind the scenes like Cheney, Wolfewitz, Olmert, Krystal, etc. All the official reasons for going to war: WMD, nukes, terrorism, 911, "smoking gun mushroom clouds" were a wash.

The goal in attacking Iraq goes back to the mid 1990's with PNAC, AIPAC, and the radical factions of the Liqud party in Israel.

The real objective in going to Iraq wasn't even entirely to "Get their oil". That is just another Bush sound bite to keep the opposition spinning its wheels on something obvious. The real reasons we are there are 1. to give the USA a strategic controlling presence in the Gulf for the rest of this century, 2. to secure global oil production, and perhaps most significantly 3. to create security for Israel by destabalizing its neighbors!

Following that last point, the reason why we never had a real exit plan, the reason why we are rattling the bees nest of Iran, the reason why we sanctioned the demolition of Lebanon and continue to sanction the geopolitical imprisonment of the Palestinians is because we never had any intention of creating a Stable Middle East in the First Place!

If Israel's neighbors are in Chaos, their threat is minimized.

It's a good deal all around.
AIPAC get's to continue porking our senators, and we get to keep Israel as our Unofficial Middle Eastern colony - secret Nuclear Bases and all.

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