xm-3000 news & info

Last information I received was that the XM-3000 arrived and will be shipping out this Monday, 23 June.

Availability for both colours show them in stock.

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Website currently lists June 30th as the day the bike will be available. Let's all keep our fingers crossed that this is the last delay!

i just got an email transaction receipt from alpha products.. evidently the xm-3000's are in & shipping! I should have it within the week.. now to get my charging station ready..

scotty

scotty, Sedona, Az
xm-3000 60v, 38ah silicones, since 7/08
quazar 48v, 12x12ah, since '05
5- vector 2/6/10 bank chargers

Yep, pre-orders are being processed this evening and will be shipped out tomorrow.

Wouldn't you know it, the timing sucks for me - just when the bikes arrive I'm off on vacation for a week. Oh well, at least I'll know I can get it as soon as I get back

Enjoy your new scoot.

Any news on the XM-3500li?

Green electric power and use thereof; what more do we need?

yes the xm-3000 are going to be on there way !!!! i have a blue one coming!!!

Me too! My card has been charged so I assume my order is being processed. I guess it's time for me to come out of lurk mode.

John

The container with the XM-3500Li should have set sail last night. I've not heard that it didn't (but haven't yet heard that it did). The bikes should arrive in Iowa ready to be shipped to customers somewhere between 7/21 and 7/28.

BTW, for those folks that ordered from me - don't worry my vacation doesn't affect the delivery of your bikes and I will be available by phone and email should you have questions. It's just that I won't be able to get my own personal bike yet...

Hey congrats and I'll be anxious to hear how the new bikes work out!

AF or John...do you know any news about the 700li???? Anybody out there bought one on pre-order or planning on buying one?

Gushar

Well, the next day after my last post, i got a 'backordered' email, & no charge on my CC. So maybe there are some shipping, & maybe not. But at least i'm in the 'nots'.

scotty, Sedona, Az
xm-3000 60v, 38ah silicones, since 7/08
quazar 48v, 12x12ah, since '05
5- vector 2/6/10 bank chargers

I had preordered mine from John and he sent me an email Friday saying it was shipped and on its way. My cc was charged the preorder price.

John

well i had the same thing happen to me !!! they called me 3 times so they could sell it to me-
then the next day- back ordered? what is going on???? i got mine for 1999.99 plus 50.00 for shipping. i see that they all went up in price like 500.00 bucks- so i hope that is not why i got put on the back order list?

this is a email i just got from a guy that is selling the xm-3000 on e-bay.

Just so you know, Blue on Silver only 2 remaining and Black on Silver only 17 remaining. If you are interested in the blue I expect them to be gone by days end. Black will be gone by weeks end. If you are waiting for some other person to have them in stock they should contact Greg directly. They will find that they are ready to ship.

Well, i just got a call from a shipping company, & they have my scooter! They will try to get it on the truck for tomorrow morning, but if there's no room, they won't deliver 'till Monday!

I had called xtreme a couple of times & left messages, but no one returned the call. Then i noticed today that my CC had indeed been charged, so was hopeful it was on the way.. presumable on the same truck that went to santa fe.

So I might have it tomorrow.. i'll take some pics & post a review.

I got my 5 vector chargers, but one is dead in the box. So i'll have to juggle them a bit at first, until i get the other returned & replaced. I'm going with astar's bank charger setup detailed in 'batteries & chargers' in the other forum.

We'll see how this works out.. maybe the mods will lump us in with the 2000's, or start another forum just for the 3000's. I would think the 3500 would have a lot of different issues, with the li batts.

scotty

scotty, Sedona, Az
xm-3000 60v, 38ah silicones, since 7/08
quazar 48v, 12x12ah, since '05
5- vector 2/6/10 bank chargers

how much did it cost you for the 5 vector chargers? and where did you buy them from? thanks.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

well i got to ride my xm-3000 after work. it came all charged up- i put 38 miles on it tonight, about half of that with my 6 yr old son holding on. he loves it! he was not too sure that we wanted to get on at first. i got it up to 41 or 42 mph. so its doing alright so far. put it on charge now.all the bolt are nice and tight- they did a good job of putting the bike together. brakes work great also- the seat is VERY big and soft too.

i just want to get a led bulb for the tail light- because it is on ALL the time the bike is on. cant want til i ride it to work next week after i get a tag on it and insurance. would like to get a windshield for it too, hope they make one for it.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

I found them on Amazon.. $140 for 5 shipped.

scotty, Sedona, Az
xm-3000 60v, 38ah silicones, since 7/08
quazar 48v, 12x12ah, since '05
5- vector 2/6/10 bank chargers

i found this battery charger BATTERY TENDER CHARGER 12VOLT DELTRAN 4-BANK 220148 for $166.00.

can someone who knows chargers systems much better then me- let me know if this is a good idea for my xm-3000? thank you - Newbie here thanks---

mrladderman
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xm-3000

I believe you need a 5 bank for the xm-3000. My understanding is 'bank' refers to the number of batteries you are charging at once.

John

John has it right. most bikes come with a single charger, which charges the batteries in series.. 5x12= 60v. A bank charger charges each battery individually, so if you have a bad one in the mix, it doesn't adversely affect the other batteries, & it makes it easier to stay up on the batteries' condition. So a bank charger for this bike would have 5 chargers.

I think the biggest problem for electric vehicles is the care of batteries. They are like a pet or a finicky house plant. They need to be monitored, kept charged, not drained too much, & cycled often to be optimal. Battery care should be one of the first things a person educates themself about when getting into ev's.

I have a soneil charger that i use for my old scooter.. but only one, so i have to charge each battery individually.. a little labor intensive. When i ordered this one, i decided to get the vectors, which are a good bang for the buck. They are 2/6/10 chargers, have a voltage check feature, which will be nice to check each battery both before & after charging... that might even replace a pactrakr setup i was thinking of getting.

Check out astars 'bank charging' thread in 'batteries & chargers' on this forum. It's kind of long, & there was some confusion early on whether the circuit would work, but it is a tried & true wiring circuit. But even if you wire each battery charger up individually, that kind of charging setup is still better than string charging.

After i get my scoot, i'll be wiring up my bank charger.. i got some nice connectors, some wire & a crimper. I'll report back how it all went, & maybe get some pics in too.

scotty

scotty, Sedona, Az
xm-3000 60v, 38ah silicones, since 7/08
quazar 48v, 12x12ah, since '05
5- vector 2/6/10 bank chargers

could i use the 4 bank charger to charge 4 batteries. then use the charger that came with the bike to charge the 5th battery?

mrladderman
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xm-3000

The charger that came with the bike is meant to charge a 60v pack. If you use it to charge a 12v battery it'll try to make that 12v battery charge up to 60v and, uh, over charge it ....

Chargers need to match the battery pack they're charging.

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- EVT 4000, Charger bike (rebuilt), Vego 600sx (rebuilt), Electrified Electra Townie
- Lectra motorcycle

thanks reikiman for the info- saved my butt!

well i guess i was wrong when i said all the bolts were tight--- 1 bolt fell off the back brake caliper. and its was a friend that saw it. boy i am glad he was there for me. i was rubbing also. plus i did not check the tire pressure. and the front tire needed 25 more psi. the back was right 36 psi. so now, i know that looking at the tire will not tell me how much air is in the tires. and i got a few more mph on it today with the right tire pressure. i have a winshield on order also- i will post how it looks and about the mounting of it too after i get it.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

i found this owners-manual- its starts to get good on page 18(17) http://site.electric-scooters-galore.com/images/zapino/zapino-owners-manual-revised.pdf

mrladderman
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xm-3000

I admire the pioneering spirit of the "early adopters" of these new, interesting, and fairly untested products.

From reading several different posts about this bike, seems like so far that the bike is basically a decent product, but needing its new owner to do the quality control as is usual with this type of product from China. And that they still have room for improvement in their shipping packaging.

Wouldn't it be nice if Honda or another major player put out a slightly more expensive but much higher quality ready-out-of-the-box E-scoot with local warranty service? I wonder if they are waiting for $10/gal fuel before they enter the market that obviously has a huge demand.

My main concern and hesitation with the Xtreme X3000 is safety related. Its a very heavy bike and I wonder about the emergency handling abilities. I also wonder about things braking at speed. It can get going fast enough to do some damage if a bolt falls out of the brakes like happen to one poster!

Do you have to sign a major liability release to purchase one of these?

PGT400 - quote- Can you really get 50 miles range from a 3000? The specs say it uses 5, 12v 38 ah batts. I would guess they are low end china agms? Would expect more like 20 mile range.

well the batteries are high end - i have almost 100 miles on my bike in 3 days riding. the first day i put 38 miles on the bike. and had at least 25% left on high speed mode. or in low speed(25)mph 75% left in the battery meter. it depends on how you ride it- the faster you go, the less distance you get- so i will be up to the rider on how far he/she will get. yes 50 miles on a charge can be done without a problem, but you will have to go slower to get that, like 50% at 25 mph or so.. a 3000W motor, 60v (5 x 12V) Greensaver SP27-12 is the battery.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

my understanding of electrics is very crude..lol... but im waiting to see the xm-3500, should be interseting, im just hoping to find a dealer somewhere close to windsor, ontario canada and im hopeing the government will allow these bikes in...the government is kinda slow and backwards when it comes to new and improve...also man what a beautiful weekend for driving, i get alot of looks and questions from everyone everywhere i go, these bikes are becoming fast popular...one thing i did notice are the road conditions..my goodness our roads suck...terrible condition...well happy riding everyone im out to go for a nice long drive today...

Had the scooter on for 2 hours today, it started emitting a wine that would change it's character depending on which lights I had on. It was coming from the DC-DC converer. The plastic cover was warm to the touch. When I popped it open, the little black unit was roasting hot.

I connected a 12V CPU fan to it, to see if that would cool it down when in operation. Sure enough it worked wonderfully. Just need to think of a way to make it permanent.

XM-3000...
-DC-DC converter removed and replaced with Optima D35 battery.
-72V mod
-Expensive bank charger until I come up with something better

i have my diagnosis light stay on when i turn on my lights. the bike works perfect, no problems at all. it 100% running great.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

The diagnosis light stays on mine too, not sure it's ambient light from below the dash illuminating the led.

Tonight I rode the bike to C/50. Measured the battery voltages with a multimeter. Found the disparity between batteries to be as great as ~300mv. I'm worried this will cause an overcharging condition when string charging tonight. I really need to build my bank charger.

XM-3000...
-DC-DC converter removed and replaced with Optima D35 battery.
-72V mod
-Expensive bank charger until I come up with something better

Can you comment on the specifications of the DC-DC converter for the XM-3000? The information is usually printed on the bottom of the unit. Sometimes the units are held down by double-sided foam tape (similar to what APC does with battery packs for their larger UPS units.) I am curious because a lot of DC-DC converters are rated betwen 30 and 60 volts and up to only about 10 amps (high beams on, turn signal on, and braking simultaneously.)

i called x-treme today. so i could find out whats up with the title- and i guess it is our JOB to call them and get the paperwork started so they can mail it out to us? i dont understand why this is. but if i get it this week that will be great.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

Hi mrladderman -

A word of caution - I don't recommend putting more than 20 "real world" miles per charge on the batteries. By "real world" I mean ride it however you want without regard for efficiency. At 20 miles the "battery meter" won't be in the red, nor will the bike be cutting out. However, if you discharge the battery further then you will shorten the life of the batteries. Search for usatracy's posts on this forum for a more detailed description.

Like you, I did 30+ miles on my batteries and rode it down to cut out a couple of times (and even limped home in that mode on one occasion). As a result I replaced the batteries on my XM-2000 at around 1200 kilometers...

BTW, I got my XM-3000 today and will be doing a more detailed review soon.

Hi wolf,

I'm in Ann Arbor - 30 miles west of Detroit. I should be getting my XM-3500Li at the end of this month. You're welcome to come see it. If you decide you want to buy then, quite frankly I'm not sure how to proceed with selling it to a "foreigner" - but we can cross that bridge when we get to it.

All the best.

hey thanks id be very happy to come over and see you guys when you get one...as to bring it into canada a dealer who sells ebikes says just to buy it and bring it in should be no problem, they just are not allowed to sell them here, politics...its a stupid game no one wins..

mine came yesterday! I spent most of the day going over it.. it has a few shipping issues, & maybe some other things. Here's what came out of the box:

Not real serious damage.. the steel shipping frame was bent pretty bad in one spot.. maybe they dropped it or it was run into by a fork lift..

I've contacted extreme & don't expect any problems.

Here it is out of the box.

I took it out for a spin after charging it up.. I like it!! It's peppy, has plenty of power.. my wife rode on it with me, too.

I'll probably post a running report of the scoot on the ev blog.

scotty

scotty, Sedona, Az
xm-3000 60v, 38ah silicones, since 7/08
quazar 48v, 12x12ah, since '05
5- vector 2/6/10 bank chargers

well i got the front-end off the bike, so i could look at the head light bulbs. they are only 25watt bulbs. anyone know where i can get a 35 watt bulb that will fit. thanks (new guy on the block)---for my xm-3000

mrladderman
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xm-3000

Went on a 23.5 mile trip today. It was the first serious trip I've ever taken on it. Left the house at 6AM, batteries fully charged. Kept up with traffic half the way, full acceleration, 35mph speeds. The batteries could take 14 miles of that sort of thing, then had to limp home doing 12mph for the last 9.5 miles, anything faster and the bike would stop all together.

I had my girlfriend on the bike the two of us combined weigh 275lbs (I pray she doesn't read this). It was a sight to see. Two grown adults, rolling down the streets at a whopping 12mph, complete with full face helmets!!! We both felt so ridiculous wearing them.

At a stop sign a car was waiting for us to cross. We accelerated at a crawl! By the time we got to my street I could only maintain 10mph without it cutting out.

To get 40 miles range at city street speeds, you really need a 60AHr pack and/or a lot less weight.

XM-3000...
-DC-DC converter removed and replaced with Optima D35 battery.
-72V mod
-Expensive bank charger until I come up with something better

thanks for the report, sparky. I suspected a 20 mile ride at full speed would be pushing it.. and especially riding 2 up! I've only done about 9-10 miles with my wife on the back, & at low speed. I had plenty of power to climb the hills to get back home. But it is good to know the limits.. maybe 15 miles max one way, & try to keep the speeds low.. then a recharge. Probably 12 miles one way would be better for batteries. This is still a useful distance, imo, & gives it a lot of applications.

My wife & i total to about 285, so we're pushing the max payload, too!

scotty, Sedona, Az
xm-3000 60v, 38ah silicones, since 7/08
quazar 48v, 12x12ah, since '05
5- vector 2/6/10 bank chargers

well i have 1000 km on my xm3k now- plus i put a windshield on. wow what a big difference its is with no wind on you when you ride. its well worth the money for it. !! IMHO.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

Congrats ladderman! What model screen did you buy and where did you buy it from?

BTW, how far is your daily commute?

https://www.powersportsuperstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TR55-9097 it came with the wrong size hardware - so i had to drill and tap to make it the right size.

8 miles to work- so 16 miles both ways. i use it as much as i can, dont care if i need to drive 25mph- to get where i am going, so i have power left to get home. if i am going like on a 30 mile round trip.

going to work and back its fine 40 mph+ going both ways. dont charge it at work. do not want to up set anyone.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

well i got home after a long ride. and i did not have turn signals.
so i put the kick stand down got off the bike, and bumped the throttle. and the bike moved!!
then i see i have no lights at all- no horn. nothing at all, but the bike sure will still drive.

check fuses- they are good.

unplug and plug back in the dc-dc converter. and everything words great now!!

also picked up this helmet today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Af9pISZ0X8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJKA_PRR8GE&feature=related

mrladderman
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xm-3000

Since XM-3000 does not have BMS,we recommend protection for GreenSaver battery for XM-3000 by BattEQ from ERider with special low price.

http://www.voltsrider.net/vr/forum_posts.asp?TID=201

So, Mountain, you're telling us that ERider, your company, is officially partnering with Nova Scooters, Ingram's company?

That's an interesting turn of events.

Hmmm...

I've no issues here.

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1000 Kilometer mark. I'm a little behind others in reaching this but the scooters held together so far. I can't drive it to work on days I have to pick up kids and that's most days. A few quirky things from time to time but at this point it's starting to pay for itself in gas savings. It's getting cold here though so I'm not riding that often and would like to get a windshield like Ladderman put in. Got a little wet yseterday riding home and the lights stopped working on the way. Once it dried out they worked fine again. Not sure what's up with that... May have to check out those fuse holders again. Got my replacement charger from Xtreme last week. I spoke with a local police officer last month and he seemed to agree that this doesn't have to be registered here in WA. It can qualify as a motorized foot scooter with the governor on. Anyway I haven't licensed it though I did get a motorcycle learners endorsement on my driver's license.

XM called me the other day. I wasn't there to take the call, but the message they left was don't toggle the high/low power switch while accelerating. It extends the life of ??

Anyone else get that phone call?

XM-3000...
-DC-DC converter removed and replaced with Optima D35 battery.
-72V mod
-Expensive bank charger until I come up with something better

yes, they called me too- cause if you play with the switch while you are moving- you can damage the hall sensors.

mrladderman
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xm-3000

I have a 3500, but didn't get any such call. Maybe that problem is fixed on the 3500? I'll probably stick with that advice anyway, just in case. I'm wondering, though, what would be the symptoms of a bad hall sensor?

Lenny Zimmermann
Metairie, LA

Lenny Zimmermann
Metairie, LA