Gearbox lube revisited

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After reviewing Mr. Mik's posts about gearbox lubes he tried, I thought I would take a look in the gearbox on my Vectrix. My gearbox is fairly quiet and I actually test drove all the Vectrix's the dealer had in inventory to get the quietest one (turned out to be the demo). Upon disassembly, with 500 miles on the odometer, I was suprised to find the gears in very good condition. Unlike Mr. Mik's Vectrux, the planet gears were clean with no pitting on the tooth faces. Also, there must have been a design change in the ring gear as it is different in my Vectrix from the gear in Mr. Mik's. Where Mr. Mik's Vectrux has a gear with "tabs or tangs" on the outer diameter of the Ring gear, there are none on the gear in my Vectrix. The outer diameter of my ring gear is smooth and therefore much thicker in section then Mr. Mik's. This would lead to a gear that could be held to a better tolerance during manufacturing and would maintain a more constant shape when heated in operation. When I withdrew the factory oil I was only able to remove 60 ml. I used a large syringe with ml graduations on it and got every drop. Mr. Mik said he thought the fill was 80 ml so on refill I split the difference and put in 70 ml. As to the oil---I was not so interested in noise, but in range and every little bit helps. I found a extremely low viscosity oil (about the viscosity of diesel fuel) designed for the GM-EV1 gearbox. The EV1 gearbox was splash lubricated with a mixture of spur and planetary gears, handled over 100 hp with motor speeds up to 10,000 rpm---so I am going to trust it in the Vectrix. The bottle says: *For electric Vehicles *Reduces viscous drag *Increases vehicle range (what more could one ask for). It was GM Part # 12371288 but is no longer available. Lucky me I had several pints of it left over from the old EV1 days. The new oil doesn't seem to change the noise of the gearbox with the exception of a slight "rattle" from the gears between drive and coast loading. I wish I had a current meter mounted so I could see if was any change in load at various speed with this oil. I am going to run it 500 additional miles and see whats going on at that point. I am also going to cut a set of helical gears to replace the spur gears this fall---then the Vectrix will be stealth!

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Re: Gearbox lube revisited

I hope it works out for you!

Good that you have nice laws about warranty conditions in the USA. Violating one part will not void the whole warranty.

I thought about using veggie oil, just to make a point...maybe "Extra Virgin Olive Oil"...
Does anyone know what that would do in a gear box? Make mayonnaise, maybe?

Now that the gear box noise in the Vectux has improved I might well try out thinner stuff.
Using thicker lubricants did not improve the noise levels, anyway, but the gear box got hotter.

Mr. Mik

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I think you would have to throw a couple of eggs in with the "Extra Virgin Olive Oil" to make mayonnaise. However, your range may vary. If I could figure out how to send you a pint of the oil I am using (the GM EV1 stuff) I would do it--a pint will fill it several times!

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What gear lubricant was originally specified for the Vectrix?

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PJD wrote:

What gear lubricant was originally specified for the Vectrix?

All secret stuff! It's supposed to last for the life of the scooter.

It did look very black from all the gear surface wear.

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Hi Mik,
Thanks for the video clip, I forwarded that to the Vectrix Dealer and he sent it to the Vectrix people today.
I will let you what they will say as soon as I hear anything back.

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I have added this page to the Vectrix Collaborative Handbook, please try to stay on topic!

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Re: Gearbox lube revisited

80cc/80ml (2.71 oz) of NEW Castrol Optigear Synthetic X gear oil.

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volts76 wrote:

80cc/80ml (2.71 oz) of NEW Castrol Optigear Synthetic X gear oil.

But which one? It matters what the "X" stands for, I think!

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_advantage/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/o/ECR_Optigear_Synthetic_...

Which X:

X 150 X 220 X 320 X 460 ????

Or do you choose according to temperature?

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Mik wrote:

Which X:

X 150 X 220 X 320 X 460 ????

Or do you choose according to temperature?

Still wondering....

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