official vx1 li range issue

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antiscab
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copied from Kevins blog, might be a bit more visible:

kevin wrote:

Hi my names Kevin and i have a vectrix 13 plate Lithium and im having problems with regards the quoted distance of 50 60 miles, im only getting at best 20 to 22 mlis, could any body point me in the right direction as to what i should be checking ? have I got some bad cells if so how hard is it to remove all to find the Batteries and again can you change bad ones out easilly.
thanks for any help.

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antiscab
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Re: official vx1 li range issue

do you have access to a usb-can cable?

if you do, this will be somewhat easier

do a full charge - then measure each cell voltage. make a list

ride until empty (or red battery light), then again measure each cell voltage. make a list

that will tell you whether the issue is with battery capacity, or battery balance

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Daily Ride:
2007 Vectrix, modified with 42 x Thundersky 60Ah
Vectrix 60Ah Lithium Tyres Fuel Registration Insurance cycle analyst 2 x TC Charger & MC
conversion
Spent so far: $5800 + $7000 + $2040 + $1200 + $425 + $800 + $140 + $3000
Cost to do it again: $1000 + $3800 + $2040 + $1200 + $425 + $800 + $140 + $1500 (lasts longer)
Cost for a Petrol bike:$6000 + + $1440 + $7560 + $1000 + $1600 + $4000 servicing
Total spent: $20405
Total to do again: $10905
Total to have used a petrol bike: $21600
Total distance travelled so far: 102'120km

Other vehicles:
2008 Mazda 2 conversion
2009 Blade Electron
1997 Prius - plugin hybrid mod

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

Unfortunately I don't have a USB -CAN-CABLE so is there another way to check the batteries

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

kevin1963 wrote:

Unfortunately I don't have a USB -CAN-CABLE so is there another way to check the batteries

yep, by taking the covers off and using a multimeter

If you have to do it this way, i recommend riding until the battery is flat - check the voltages of each cell, then charge while the covers are off and check the voltages again at end of charge

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Daily Ride:
2007 Vectrix, modified with 42 x Thundersky 60Ah
Vectrix 60Ah Lithium Tyres Fuel Registration Insurance cycle analyst 2 x TC Charger & MC
conversion
Spent so far: $5800 + $7000 + $2040 + $1200 + $425 + $800 + $140 + $3000
Cost to do it again: $1000 + $3800 + $2040 + $1200 + $425 + $800 + $140 + $1500 (lasts longer)
Cost for a Petrol bike:$6000 + + $1440 + $7560 + $1000 + $1600 + $4000 servicing
Total spent: $20405
Total to do again: $10905
Total to have used a petrol bike: $21600
Total distance travelled so far: 102'120km

Other vehicles:
2008 Mazda 2 conversion
2009 Blade Electron
1997 Prius - plugin hybrid mod

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

Thanks for that I will try to strip as soon as possible , if I have a poorly cell what would you expect the poorly cell to read ? And then read again when charged.
Thanks kevin

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

could any body point me in the right direction as to what i should be checking ?

yes, my brother is in this situation, his 42Ah lithium is not working at all, he spended plenty money and plenty hours to run the vectrix with the original crap system. BMS replaced, cells replaced. plenty money lost, it is a complete nightmare. No success.
My recomendation, sell the remaining good cells and the bms boards, buy 19 leaf cells, and a good BMS like EMus. David or vectrix 3.0 can reprogram the charger to use the leaf cells, for a price.

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

kevin1963 wrote:

Thanks for that I will try to strip as soon as possible , if I have a poorly cell what would you expect the poorly cell to read ? And then read again when charged.
Thanks kevin

Any update? At full charge, all cells should be within 0.01V or so compared to each other (sorry, forgot the actual "full charge" voltage value). If some are out of range, it's either bad cells or bad BMS module for that cell. "Poor" cells will also likely read lower voltage than the average cell, when the battery as a whole is discharged immediately after riding.

To be honest, the easiest way is to get the adapter/cable/software and start from there. You will need them if you decide to upgrade/repair.

Edit: this thread mentions some voltage values in it: http://visforvoltage.org/forum/13994-searching-gp45evlf-cells

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

Thanks for everyone's suggestions in the end I have got Emmissions company coming out to up grade my charging programmes and he has checked all cell which were out of balance, he says it will take around three days to complete so hopefully my range will be restored , I will update everyone in a few days time.
Thanks

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

Any updates on this matter ?

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

To my knowledge, the BMS boards are directly attached onto the lithium cells.
The cells sometimes vent hot gas through the pressurized valve, damaging that BMS boards.
Some temperature-voltage readings become incorrect, and the cells gets incorrect charge, getting permanent damage.

Vectrixparts is selling an adapter board that allows to detach the BMS boards from the cells and protect them inside a waterproof box. I suggest you check voltage readings of each cell with a voltmeter and compare the readings with the ones displayed in the scooterdiag. If one reading is noticeably different, replace the bms board, or repair the damaged electronic components.
This system allows to use the original vectrix BMS on any battery. Unfortunately, the temp readings from the termistors is lost.

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

I have a Li+, so that adapter board is of mine interest.

Please, could you provide the direct link to it ?

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Re: official vx1 li range issue

Is this it?

http://shop.vectrixparts.com/vx1-bms-board.html

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zeuz
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Re: official vx1 li range issue

h0tr0d wrote:

Is this it?

http://shop.vectrixparts.com/vx1-bms-board.html

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Maybe... R mentions a waterproof box, which is not visible or described in that link... but it is the BMS boards from the Li cells seen in that link!

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