The good news is that here's the start of the data for the comparison review. The bad news, it's not the performance data yet - just the "other stuff".
1) I will be including performance data "real soon now"
2) A lot of the data is from manufacturers web sites - the final review will make clear which bits of data are verified
3) Please help with filling in missing pieces or correcting stuff
And finally, I'm amazed at how heavy the Vectrix is! Just imagine that motor in an XM-3500/EFun-D frame. Now that would be quick!
| XM-3000 | XM-3500 | EFun-D | Vectrix | Vino | ||
| seat height | inches | 28 | 32 | 32 | 30.5 | 30 |
| handlebar height | inches | 38.5 | 41.5 | 41.5 | ||
| top of mirror height | inches | 47 | 52 | 52 | 42 | |
| seat width @ front | inches | 6 | 6 | 6 | ||
| seat width @ back | inches | 12 | 14 | 14 | ||
| leg room - seat to steering column | inches | 11 | 12 | 12 | ||
| leg room - floor to handlebar | inches | 26.5 | 28 | 28 | ||
| wheelbase | inches | 55 | 58 | 58 | 60 | 48.5 |
| length @ longest | inches | 73 | 79 | 79 | 69 | |
| width @ widest | inches | 33 | 29.5 | 29.5 | 27.5 | |
| tire brand | Chen Shin Tire | Chen Shin Tire | Chen Shin Tire | |||
| wheel size - front | 10 | 13 | 13 | 14 | 10 | |
| wheel size - rear | inches | 10 | 13 | 13 | 13 | 10 |
| tire size - front | 3.5x10 | 130/60 - 13 | 130/60 - 13 | 120/70 - 14 | 3.5x10 | |
| tire size - rear | 3.5x10 | 130/60 - 13 | 130/60 - 13 | 140/60 - 13 | 3.5x10 | |
| suspension - rear | twin coil over cartridge | twin coil over cartridge | twin coil over cartridge | single coil over cartridge | ||
| suspension - front | twin cartridge | twin cartridge | twin cartridge | twin cartridge | ||
| battery - brand | Greensaver | Thundersky | Thundersky | |||
| battery - model | SP-27-12 | TS-LFP40AHA | TS-LFP40AHA | |||
| battery - Ah | Ah | 27 | 40 | 40 | 30 | |
| battery - LxWxH | inches | 7.72X5.16X6.54 | 7.48X4.57X1.81 | 7.48X4.57X1.81 | ||
| battery - individual weight | pounds | 23.6 | 3.5 | 3.5 | ||
| battery - nominal voltage | volts | 12 | 3.2 | 3.2 | ||
| battery - replacement cost | dollars | 89 | 68 | 68 | ||
| battery - count | 5 | 20 | 21 | |||
| battery pack - nominal voltage | volts | 60 | 64 | 67.2 | 125 | |
| battery pack - capacity | kWh | 1.6 | 2.6 | 2.7 | 3.7 | |
| battery pack - weight | pounds | 118 | 70 | 73.5 | ||
| battery pack - replacement cost | dollars | 445 | 1360 | 1428 | ||
| battery pack - life - cycles | 400 | 1500 | 1500 | 1700 | ||
| battery pack - life - mileage | miles | 8000 | 60000 | 60000 | 50000 | |
| charger - power | kW | 0.33 | 1.1 | 1.1 | 1.5 | |
| charger - approx charge time | hours | 8 to 10 | 4 to 5 | 4 to 5 | 3 to 5 | |
| brake - rear | twin caliper 7" disc | twin caliper 7" disc + ABS | twin caliper 7" disc + ABS | drum | ||
| brake - front | twin caliper 7" disc | twin caliper 7" disc + ABS | twin caliper 7" disc + ABS | single caliper 7" disc | ||
| speedo type | mechanical | mechanical | mechanical | |||
| speedo units | kilometer | kilometer | miles | |||
| odo type | mechanical | mechanical | mechanical | |||
| odo units | kilometer | kilometer | miles | |||
| manufacturer | Alpha Products International | Alpha Products International | Alpha Products International | Vectrix | Yamaha | |
| controller - peak volts | volts | |||||
| controller - peak amps | amps | 275 | ||||
| controller - low voltage cut off | volts | |||||
| motor - power rating | watts | 3000 | 3500 | 3000 | ||
| motor - type | Series Wound DC Hub Motor | Series Wound DC Hub Motor | Series Wound DC Hub Motor | |||
| peak power | kW | 21 | ||||
| weight | pounds | 320 | 276 | 276 | 515 | 240 |
| max load | pounds | 300 | 400 | 265 | 423 | |
| warranty - motor | months | 6 | 12 | 12 | ||
| warranty - batteries | months | 6 | 24 | 12 | ||
| warranty - controller | months | 6 | 12 | 12 | ||
| warranty - mechanicals | months | 6 | 6 | 12 | ||
| range | miles | 20 | 40 | 40 | 35 | |
| MSRP | dollars | 2499 | 4499 | 2899 | ||
| Street Price | dollars | 2499 | 3999 | 9772 |
Did "Alpha Products International" really manufacture the Efun? (obligatory programmer joke) Does Alpha Products International understand that with that company name they may never get out of Alpha?
- David Herron, The Long Tail Pipe, davidherron.com, 7gen.com, What is Reiki
No, they didn't. The VIN plate for the EFun lists JIANGMEN HUARI GROUP CO. LTD. The VIN plate for the two XM's lists Alpha Products International.
Oops!!! Sorry - that's a bad mistake! Especially given all the talk over on another thread...
Good catch. Unfortunately I can't edit the original post. I think from this point on I'll just post a link to this info on another site - where I can edit and format it a bit more easily.
And, David, that's a VERY bad joke! ;-)
John H. Founder of Current Motor Company - opinions on this site belong to me; not to my employer
Remember: " 'lectric for local. diesel for distance" - JTH, Amp Bros || "No Gas.
You keep comparing apples to oranges . Vectrix is the only 60 mph prodution EV bike at the moment.
I need to go 60 mph . with a load (I have riden 2 up = 520 lb and it gose great .lots of power). so when another bike dose that you can compare it to Vectrix
They all have they place . just as all the 35 mph ev cars .
And with the price differants if you don't need to go 60 mph get something else. they are all helping to save Gas.
Happy riding ,Herb
Vectrix-NH - the entire list consists of apples and oranges (one small electric scooter, two mid size electric scooter, one large electric scooter and one gas scooter). Only the EFun-D and XM-3500Li are really the same class of bike. The table is meant to compare choices out there - not persuade anyone model a is better than model b. But if model a suits someones requirements better than model b then the table helps. I realize that this is different than when Car and Driver compare luxury sedans or MCN compares 600cc sports bikes. However, at the moment there aren't enough bikes in any one class to do that. Also, unlike the car and bike world where folks generally choose a sub-category and then look at the options in the EV bike world folks often need to decide what category they want by looking at all the available categories.
Despite my teasing over on the Vectrix thread I do fully believe the Vectrix is a better bike. Likely the best EV bike out there right now. However, the gap is getting smaller. Last year there were only the small scooters (XM-3000 like top speed in the 40's), now there are larger scooters (XM-3500 top speed in the 50's). Yep, the Vectrix is still better (and not just due to top speed) - but what will next year bring?
To put it another way - yes I do keep comparing the XM-3500Li to the Vectrix and yes it keeps coming up short. But I do that so that we can work on closing the gap.
The one thing that does annoy me about the Vectrix is the way that it often is positioned in the press as the only electric motor scooter out there. Not that I blame the Vectrix press office - I'd do the same ;-)
John H. Founder of Current Motor Company - opinions on this site belong to me; not to my employer
Remember: " 'lectric for local. diesel for distance" - JTH, Amp Bros || "No Gas.
John,
You ought to put this into a Wikipedia article. Then you could edit it all day.
Good idea. I'll look into doing that.
John H. Founder of Current Motor Company - opinions on this site belong to me; not to my employer
Remember: " 'lectric for local. diesel for distance" - JTH, Amp Bros || "No Gas.
OR... on this very site you can use a 'book' page rather than a 'forum' page. We have the editing permissions configured differently for different page types. On book pages the author of a book page is able to edit the page at any time, whereas on a forum page the author of the forum post is not able to edit the forum post.
Create Content --> Book
- David Herron, http://longtailpipe.com/
John
I was wondering where you got the $68 price for the lithium Thunder-sky 40 amp batteries.
I have seen some priced at $100.
Eric Fisher
www.SiliconeBatteriesUSA.com
Hi Eric,
Over at www.elitepowersolutions.com
John H. Founder of Current Motor Company - opinions on this site belong to me; not to my employer
Remember: " 'lectric for local. diesel for distance" - JTH, Amp Bros || "No Gas.
Hi everyone,
I just posted a thread in "Product Announcements" about a new web site project I just launched which would be a great place to gather this data. John, would you be interested in trying WikiPik for gathering your findings?
Thanks!
Markus
XM-2000, Voloci, custom electric bicycle
[url=http://www.wikipik.org/vc16]WikiPik[/url]
Yes, a thousand times yes.
Can I suggest that you add a flag against people's accounts. One that says "owner" and one that says "dealer" (and allow folks to have more than one flag). I want to post reviews but I want to make it clear I'm a dealer - as well as an owner.
John H. Founder of Current Motor Company - opinions on this site belong to me; not to my employer
Remember: " 'lectric for local. diesel for distance" - JTH, Amp Bros || "No Gas.