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Has there been a major improvement in the hill-climbing ability of e-bikes over the last 2 years? I dream of getting a throttled e-bike but I live in a hilly area and I wonder if it would be useless.

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One of the "old" E-bikes can do it quite well, with a couple of mods if necessary: the EZIP Trailz. Mine will climb all of the hills in my area, including a few steep country hills, as it came out of the box. If you have even worse hills, there are two available aftermarket sprockets for the bike: one for extra speed with a bit less torque, and one with more torque with a bit less speed. You would want the latter, obviously. I also suggest a Ping or similar Lithium pack with BMS, but the OEM lead-acid pack is adequate for even steep hills if you climb them properly (lots of pedaling, 1st gear only) and if you don't need to go more than 10 miles or so. With my 20AH 24V Ping pack I could go 50 miles, but it's a little large - he also makes a 15AH 24 volt pack that would be perfect for the EZIP. Keep in mind that new EZIPs can't be run on 36 volts like the older ones.

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Dammit, I DID only click on Save only once. This site has to be the worst on the Web...

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Re: E-Bikes Going Up Hill a

Thanks Leftie

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Dammit, I DID only click on Save only once. This site has to be the worst on the Web...

Speaking as one of the unpaid volunteers on this site we appreciate the feedback. :-)

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Re: E-Bikes Going Up Hill a

I meant, are there e-bikes that can take notable hills without pedaling. I have a pedalic now and I can do the hills with assisted pedaling. What I want is an electric bike that I don't have to pedal.

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The EZIP may be able to do that with both the "torque" sprocket mod and a better pack, but I don't know for sure. I don't understand people who want bicycles they don't have to pedal at all, though... get a scooter!

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Mr. Mountain Chen,
That is not an e-bicycle or e-bike that is an e-scooter! I have a adult Schwinn stingray with a hipower 1000W motor 72Vx30AH battery, it will take me up Madison st. hill ( about 35% hill and accelerate all the way but the bike is illegal in the USA unless WE change the laws on e- bikes. 700W geared motor may do what you ask. Geared hub motors increase the torque by the use of internal planetary gears.

thank GOD I wake up above ground !!!!

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I need a bike because I am not licensed to drive and e-scooters are not legal on New York streets.

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I thought pedelecs were prohibited in New York - now electric scooters too? When will these lobbyist-prone morons prohibit electric propulsion per se?!

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The principle is, if you can't tell it from a bicycle it's ok. Mine has a hub motor, you have to look really closely to see it's not a regular bike. Bikes are encouraged in New York. I live in Huntington, Long Island. There are a few electric supported bikes I see around. Most people drive big cars (a lot of Mercedes and Jeeps).

I did see an electric scooter in Manhattan. But it is probably illegal technically. Also, there's a guy who rides around town with a gas powered scooter. It takes a seat but he stands on it. I just don't want to get stopped, fined and a scooter confiscated.

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Scooters *are* legal here. You just have to have a driver's license for the slowest of the three classes, and a motorcycle license for the other two. They are called by the DMV, believe it or not, "mopeds". They do have to be DOT certified as street legal. My Lepton was an example of the slowest class, my XM3000 the middle class, and if my ZEV were 3MPH slower, it would fall into the highest class of "moped." Actual mopeds are, of course, illegal.

Don, if you don't have a driver's license, you really can't expect to ride a scooter on public roads. I think you should be able to ride an E-bike, but the state disagrees. Are you physically disabled? There may be a few vehicles that fall into the "mobility scooter" class that you could use...

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Don't get me wrong, I'm reasonably happy with my e-bike. This is mostly sentiment. I come from Winnipeg, Canada where e-scooters are classified as "power assisted bicycles." I had an e-scooter there and I loved it! In NY State that is not the case. A bicycle has to look like a bicycle here. Power chairs and "mobility scooters" are not allowed on public roads in any case--they are classified as pedestrians and have to stay on sidewalks. I am not physically disabled. I lost my license on medical grounds in Winnipeg (probably not fairly) and I'm really not interested in trying to get another one.

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Re: E-Bikes Going Up Hill

Just to be clear, by "e-scooter", we don't mean the little things you stand on or have a token seat or such. We mean a fully equipped highway-legal motorcycle or motor-driven cycle, of the step-through frame design, like a Vespa or Honda.

When you apply for a title and registration, there will be no check-box for "electric" under "engine size" so you must check "under 50cc" (or under 5 hp) or the "over 50cc" (over 5 hp), depending on the electric motor's equivalent performance. Don't utter the word "electric" to the state DMV agent! The state will never know, or care, that it is actually electric-propelled - as long as the scooter has a valid VIN, MVSS certification placard, and is on the NHTSA manufacturer database. I've successfully registered three different e-scooters here in Pennsylvania.

Of course, unlike some states (most of the south and midwest), where all under-50cc scooters are classified as "mopeds", in Pennsylvania and New York you do need a drivers license, with a motorcycle rating if over 50cc - and license plates and insurance too.

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Actually, in NY it isn't engine size that determines class of "moped" - it's the top speed. Many a 50cc scooter buyer has been dismayed to learn that his or her scooter requires a MC license because it's faster than 35, and Craigslist sellers lie about this all the time. I was hesitant to quote when I don't remember for sure, but it goes *something* like this: top speed under 35MPH is the lowest class ("C" I believe), top speed under (or up to) 45MPH and it's a class B and under 60MPH it's a class A. It isn't that hard to register an electric here anymore, although they will probably put a number of cylinders on the registration. My Lepton had "two" cylinders!

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Don,
If you really want to improve your ride get a used bike. buy a front,,700W geared or 1000W DD hub-motor kit with twist throttle "PAS" display and controller, minimum 48V20AH battery , and a rear rack for the battery oh ya, a whole bunch of plastic ties and make a New e-bike for Your self. I did, and old plank street hill has nothing on my bike,. 1/4mile at 32-35* angle try it you"ll like it.

thank GOD I wake up above ground !!!!

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Re: E-Bikes Going Up Hill a

Thanks guys. I don't know why the law is so complicated in NY and so simple in other states. For now I can live with my Trek Ride Plus. I spent all my savings on the house.

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Thanks guys. I don't know why the law is so complicated in NY and so simple in other states. For now I can live with my Trek Ride Plus. I spent all my savings on the house.

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