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Glide through hidden roads

Here in Holland there's one solid rule for scooters
1. No emission vehicles allowed in wooded areas. As I went to work on my electric scooter, the shortest way is through the woods on a small road. Ofcourse, local schoolkids took this route too and all drive an emission scooter on gasoline. It is not the first time I laughing out loud because cops perodictly patrols these area's and yes, it cost 200 dollar as a bill.
It is not the first time they went me to stop like others, but all these times I may proceed my route without any costs or bill's and the boys passed me by stands still waiting for their 'speech'.

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Holland is in bussiness to promote electric driving. Special chargeparkings "mister Green" are ready in the capitals of this country and even in this desolate place I liv there are plenty of electric bicycles to see. But not any electric 45 km/h or 28 mph scooter seen than myone.
This is some strange kind of behaviour of local people here. I'm very curious how the situation is in America and how this is elsewhere on earth.
Some vehicles are not allowed on the road and the issues are sometimes ridiculous. Take the segway, it tooks a long time before "the heague" bows for this kind of transport on local bicycleroads.

It is not better here than elsewhere, but the advantage of Holland is his flatness. In my surroundings the highest top is 34 meter. The only climbs are viaducts.

I want to start a discussion about how to handle to politics to promote electric driving or dispromoting it, but who cares about peakoil, shell and other huge costwinners and pumps of the economy. Look to China, one example in kind of many.

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I'm seeing more electric scooters where I live. I don't think I've ever seen anyone riding an electric bicycle around here.

The other day I saw two people riding electric scooters. I had this realization. The US of A is doing nothing to cut oil usage, or carbon output, reduce in-city air polution, ect. The Chinese are doing more for us by selling electric scooters. This is almost guaranteed to become a very significant trend with gas prices the way they are.

For example, the US government invested heavily in the GM EV1 project. I read somewhere that it was over a billion dollars, but I can't find that source now. That vehicle is just amazing. Probably the best electric car still in existence. GM also invested a lot, maybe also a billion. They have no plans to produce or sell it. Instead they are pumping resources into the Volt which is nothing but PR bull. Some small factory in china like erato (Mountain Chen's company) is making a much greater impact by actually manufacturing and selling something. Imagine if the government invested just a few million in these small companies that are already making an impact.

It is just great to invest resources into trying to figure out how to solve our problems through R&D. But, it may be totally pointless if we never take advantage of that effort.

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I'm very curious how the situation is in America and how this is elsewhere on earth.

American's are talking about energy use more, but still doing very little. I see a few more unpowered bicycles around. Public transportation is getting more popular. The buses are more full than they used to be.

I only encounter another electric vehicle once a year or so and it is usually a scooter.

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Intresting, yes.

Busses are full. . The busses here are most empty and in the train you can always sit and most times by the window. Here is everybody moving on own vehicles. Most modern cars and in your area I saw most pick-ups and very big cars. Here the cars are smaller and the rules are much more restricted. Car driving is not for eveybody and very expensive here. TCO is 800+ euro per month for driving.

Holland is a bicycleland and most forenses move on electric bikes like the Sparta Ion as favorit.
Holland knows a extreme high energytax on elektra and gasoline. So high, much brands invest in Hybrids because people can't pay any longer that price which rises only.

One liter here (Euro95) costs 1,61 euro (one euro is 1,7 dollar!)
One liter Supergasoline (high octan) costs 1,76 euro.

One kWh costs 23 cent or 40 dollarcent (and there?)
One Kuub gas costs around 93 cent or 1 dollar 60!

That's our problem best man. Our greedy goverment.
We're always talking about that fat American's in their big car's, but believe me; it is not any better here, not any!

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it's kooky here in the usa too. the latest thing in the news is to fix it all by not putting any more oil into the strategic oil reserve. easy for congress to do since it's 97 % full. sould drop the price of gasoline by about a penny. meanwhile at least here in new mexico, a state of the usa, i may be the only one on the freeway that isn't driving 15 to 20 mph over the 65mph speed limit. out of town the limit is 75mph so they drive 85 or 90, especially the cops. but i see on the web where some somewhere electric bikes are banned from bike paths including the handicap mobility scooters leaving the wheelchairs to fight american drivers for space on the road. i hear that in new york state you can only ride e bikes and scooters on private property, and they call new york the greenest city in the usa? my head spins from the coriolis force of the political spin. here in new mexico its real simple. if you are rich enough for a segway go anywhere you want except the freeway, same for the handicaped. but legaly i do not exist since to be a moped i need turn signals and such. if i'm a moped i stay in the street to get creamed, but if i'm a bike no motor allowed. meanwhile i peadle hard around cops. when they ticket me, its call the media and game on baby. they just improved the local bus system from takes an hour and a half to travel 12 miles to i walk a mile and a half to take the bus an hour and a half to go 10.5 miles. my legaly vague e bike gets there in 45 minuites for 12 cents electricity. at least the bush tax rebate bought the bike. all bus routes go straight to the mall where all the poor folks must obviously shop. the route that serves the poorest part of town takes you straight to the most expensive groceries in town. maybe this kooky world will make sense if i watch apocalypse now 10 times in a row. pardon me for the one handed no caps typing.

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Here in the eastern USA, gasoline is about 3.75 to 4.15 per gallon. [satire on] The metric system is foreign and therefore subversive, but this translates 0.60 to 0.67 euro per liter [/satire].

My electricity is about $0.13 per kwh (lots of cheap coal here)
I am currently paying about $17.50 per 1000 cubic feet of gas or $1.62 per cubic meter. I don't know how that translated to "kuub" units.

I think you have to translate currencies with care as the exchange rate doesn't reflect the buying power. Fuel and utilities are much cheaper here, but median incomes are lower than the EU. The minimum wage in Holland is close to the median income for workers in the US.

Most people in US suburbia are in bit of a panic as in sprawling suburban areas very few practical alternatives to the car will ever be available. Homes, shopping and jobs have spread out across the countryside, so few people work "downtown" anymore so public transportation and even car-pooling is usually not practical. Typically, husbands and wives head off in opposite distant location in their own cars to get to jobs, with side trips to schools or child-care centers on the way. Most have not even paid off the loan for their big SUV's that get 15 miles/gallon (15 l/100 km), and except for the expensive Toyota Prius, there are still no cars available that get fuel economy as good as many cars made in the 1980's. We've moved backward.

The US government is largely proposing measures that are absolutely 180 degrees in the wrong direction. My congressman was a co-sponsor of the "Commuter Aid and Relief for Suburbia (CARS) Act" which would give tax credits for any commuter who drive their own cars to work, the credit get larger the farther they drive. This is _not_ satire! Fortunately, I don't think this bill will get much support.

Other, totally counterproductive measures are the suspension of the $0.18 per gallon federal excise tax on gasoline. This is the primary source of federal funds for highways and bridges.

As far as Segways, most US cities passed laws to permit Segways on side-walks and other walkways (lawyers working for Sewgway went to every major city government). The problem is, the Segway is not compatible with a sidewalk with more than a small number of people walking on it. We have already yielded too much of our public space for cars (most suburban area where I live don't even have safe placed to walk at all) I am NOT going to be expected to step aside and yield the sidewalk to some guy wanting to go 15-20 kph down the sidewalk on their Segway.

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For sure the segway guys had their act together better than the sellers of e bikes and scooters. It just shows you how the law for e bikes could be better for sure. I think the handicapped should go anywhere, but if a bike is banned from sidewalks shouldn't a seqway as well, with similar performance envelopes? What I don't want to see is an e bike that is under 20 mph banned from bike paths because it's a moped. I get a laugh about the gas tax suspension idea too. My towns badly needed highway upgrade was delayed about 10 years for lack of funds. No big deal to those who died on the old unsafe road while we waited.

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Here in the eastern USA, gasoline is about 3.75 to 4.15 per gallon. [satire on] The metric system is foreign and therefore subversive, but this translates 0.60 to 0.67 euro per liter [/satire].

My electricity is about $0.13 per kwh (lots of cheap coal here)
I am currently paying about $17.50 per 1000 cubic feet of gas or $1.62 per cubic meter. I don't know how that translated to "kuub" units.

Fuel and utilities are much cheaper here, but median incomes are lower than the EU. The minimum wage in Holland is close to the median income for workers in the US.

The US government is largely proposing measures that are absolutely 180 degrees in the wrong direction. My congressman was a co-sponsor of the "Commuter Aid and Relief for Suburbia (CARS) Act" which would give tax credits for any commuter who drive their own cars to work, the credit get larger the farther they drive. This is _not_ satire! Fortunately, I don't think this bill will get much support.

Other, totally counterproductive measures are the suspension of the $0.18 per gallon federal excise tax on gasoline. This is the primary source of federal funds for highways and bridges.

As far as Segways, most US cities passed laws to permit Segways on side-walks and other walkways (lawyers working for Sewgway went to every major city government). The problem is, the Segway is not compatible with a sidewalk with more than a small number of people walking on it.

I shorten it, but most intresting ;)

Prices says me enough how ridiculous our taxes are.

You may know this: I work as IT manager and servers are under my control, but I work for 25 hours in a week or 8-8-5-4-0 and my income is 1307,65 euro on bank. Not that much.
I can't do crazy things and I should think twice before I buy something and if I buy something; it should be usefull.

The buscorporations are in strike now and won't drive even a mile. They're in demand of a 20%+ reward in 3 years. not normal and everybody is furious here. 2,47% is usual.

Very intresting to learn about American's and their life. We have our mouth full of remarks obout American's.
But do they know or even talk with an American?? No.

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Gas effects the price of everything . In short its economic genocide for the vast majority of the working back bone of our entire world, Holland , USA, Canada Where ever you live. Basically our necks are on the chopping block. This goes MUCH more deep than just gas prices. When I say economic genocide , make no mistake , its just a deadly as nerve gassing us. Its just takes longer with the perfect cover of spreading the blame. An ethnic cleansing of the non wealthy , non certain brand of religion , if you will.
2 years ago I saw this coming and bought a used motorcycle. It has paid for itself twice now. However, I am still not ahead as the same amount of money go's out. With the cost of everything going up because of gas, I am still gradually loosing every day. Even if I had an electric bike, ( BTW.. one on the drawing board ) I would still be gradually loosing. So Wheres the bottom for me ? Homeless and starving I believe is their plan.
So whats the answer ? Stop the greed. To do that is to stop the money mentality.
Imagine if you will, and it takes quite a leep of faith to really "see" it, a world where everything is done the best way possible , not the cheapest way. Because doing it the best way, now cost nothing. In my minds eye I see vast solar arrays covering desert reagons of our planet, providing electricity and hydrogen. and everyone is working to make it better, everything is provided , no hungur, nothing lacking.
Heres a saying I came up with, Pass it around if you think it makes since
"Our world cant afford money anymore , it cost to much."

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For guys my age, its really spooky to see that same ol thing going around again. When Bush said we had to stay the course now that we were committed to Iraq, I felt the ghost of LBJ walk up my spine. The no money economy thing sounded great around 1969 too! But it worked for about a summer, in most cases. Where it lasted longer, it was because certain people got used to eating from dumpsters. A very few years later, we all had marriages, kids, house loans, strait jobs, the works. My generation really did try! But it don't work. Now it's your turn, good luck, maybe you can do it, but we sold out.

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So Wheres the bottom for me ? Homeless and starving I believe is their plan.

They don't have any plan. "They" are like you and me. We work in our local economic systems to provide something, and in turn get something back. We use resources to do this, and we try and provide a lot of wealth for an economy, even if it means using a lot of resources. Oil provides a huge amount of wealth for an economy. And oil companies work to exploit this resource. They provide wealth for the economy.

The problem is oil is running out. We are not preparing for this, but instead are trying to get more oil, depleting reserves faster. We are not even reducing consumption significantly to make better use of what is left.

Without oil, many of us may have to do very different things to provide something for the economy. And, there may be no need for many existing jobs. Your answer to what is the bottom is simple. You will be doing anything necessary to get, produce, or provide food if you and others in your economy are starving. This may mean a reverse migration that happened in the '30s during the great depression in the US. We may need to have may more people working farms. And, there may not be any means to transport large quantities over vast distances, so the population of large cities may diminish drastically.

and everyone is working to make it better, everything is provided , no hungur, nothing lacking.

We are trying to use resources to generate as much wealth as possible. That's apparent in cost which drives everything in our monetary system. If we can't use those resources anymore, or use different resources, then that practice will generate less wealth and we will have less.

Those vast solar arrays are going to cost everyone, and generate less electricity for the resources put into them than other means of generating electricity. They may not even be practical to build because we may not have the resources to build them. Instead, we may need to cut back drastically on electricity usage, and build small arrays.

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Please look up Linsay Willams

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