Where's the Beef?

12 posts / 0 new
Last post
deronmoped
Offline
Last seen: 11 years 11 months ago
Joined: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 08:18
Points: 342
Where's the Beef?

So who is going to stop eating meat to save the planet? Any volunteers?

The UNIPOCC is recommending that we should stop eating meat, what, now we have to be Vegans too. No oil, no gas and now it's Lima beans and spinach for dinner.

Let the planet fry, where's my Wendy's Baconator, six slices of bacon on it. Two patties. Two slices of cheese. Yum yum :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/07/food.foodanddrink

Deron.

LinkOfHyrule
LinkOfHyrule's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 years 4 months ago
Joined: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 14:54
Points: 730
Re: Where's the Beef?

Someone posted similar over on the ES. I was eating a chicken bake when I saw it. I then continued to eat the chicken bake.

The author of this post isn't responsible for any injury, disability or dismemberment, death, financial loss, illness, addiction, hereditary disease, or any other undesirable consequence or general misfortune resulting from use of the "information" contai

dogman
dogman's picture
Offline
Last seen: 10 years 11 months ago
Joined: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 15:41
Points: 830
Re: Where's the Beef?

It's true that cow farts cause more greenhouse effect than cars. One thing I allways find amusing is that people think composting is green, when it actually produces large ammounts of methane. I figure the way to save the planet is to kill a few billion people, so I'm not so worried about the planet. We will just have to adapt to the new conditions on the planet. If the oceans rise I won't miss Texas that much.

Be the pack leader.
36 volt sla schwinn beach cruiser
36 volt lifepo4 mongoose mtb
24 volt sla + nicad EV Global

deronmoped
Offline
Last seen: 11 years 11 months ago
Joined: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 08:18
Points: 342
Re: Where's the Beef?

Hey, my sister lives in Texas. Well, anyways, Texas under water might make her move back to San Diego, where I can see her more often.

Yeah, that's the only way I figured we can save the planet, lose a few billion people. There is just no way people are going to stop eating, using energy, having kids, living... We might cut back a little in the USA, but there is no guaranty that other countries would not take up the slack.

Deron.

reikiman
reikiman's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 3 weeks ago
Joined: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 17:52
Points: 8447
Re: Where's the Beef?

Hey, my sister lives in Texas. Well, anyways, Texas under water might make her move back to San Diego, where I can see her more often.

Yeah, that's the only way I figured we can save the planet, lose a few billion people. There is just no way people are going to stop eating, using energy, having kids, living... We might cut back a little in the USA, but there is no guaranty that other countries would not take up the slack.

Deron.

I'm sure the recommendation floated by that UN person was more about cutting back meat .. rather than zero'ing meat eating. In other words it's hypestering to say they recommended we all become Vegans.

But.. there has been these longstanding factoids that it takes ?? 17 pounds of grain to make 1 pound of beef ?? -- I don't remember the exact ratio but that's the general idea. And to make a pound of pork requires even more pounds of grain. That means eating meat clearly and obviously impacts resource consumption, and that clearly reducing meat eating would reduce resource consumption.

e.g. the book Diet for a Small Planet I believe went over this ground decades ago. It's no way a new recommendation.

But you're right Deron, it seems the people we live with in our society require a two-by-four smacking them in the forehead before they pay attention.

But there's a thing about relying on disasters to propel social change. The resulting change that comes out depends a lot on who manipulates the disaster response and to what ends. I'm talking about the cycle where every time a disaster happens someone steps forward with a plan, the plan may not be the best choice but it's a choice they are proposing because it aims society towards a goal they have in mind.

- David Herron, The Long Tail Pipe, davidherron.com, 7gen.com, What is Reiki
- Electrified Electra To

Aerowhatt
Aerowhatt's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 years 4 months ago
Joined: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 - 18:38
Points: 66
Re: Where's the Beef?

It's true that cow farts cause more greenhouse effect than cars. One thing I allways find amusing is that people think composting is green, when it actually produces large ammounts of methane. I figure the way to save the planet is to kill a few billion people, so I'm not so worried about the planet. We will just have to adapt to the new conditions on the planet. If the oceans rise I won't miss Texas that much.

You Are right about population reduction as the only REAL answer to most all of the problems we face. I've done my part, how about everbody else get with the program.

Wrong about composting though. Sending all those scraps to the landfill does produce lots of methane because it decomposes without sufficient oxygen. Composting done porperly produces mostly CO2 which is closed loop CO2 since the plants pulled it out of the atmosphere to begin with. I'm sure we all know that Methane is about 20 times as bad CO2 per unit volume when it comes to green house gasses.

Chicken is a pretty good meat, resource wise. They will eat and thrive on compostable vegtable and plant waste (while it's still fresh). They don't fart much from what I can tell. Great little composters those chickens (chicken waste makes good fertilizer) and they produce eggs and chicken bakes as well. Cows and pigs are about the most inefficient resources that we produce. Scale it back to grass fed beef and it starts to make some sense again.

Aerowhatt

boyelectric
Offline
Last seen: 11 years 1 month ago
Joined: Friday, October 12, 2007 - 11:00
Points: 101
Re: Where's the Beef?

Population.
Population.
Population.

Why should everyone eat lower on the totem pole, so so that someone else can make more babies to eat the resources that were saved?

I gave up on environmental science as a career (after the degree was earned), because I consider it an insoluble problem... Humans are far to willing and have proven themselves able to defecate in their own back yard and consider the smell to be normal. Give it a generation, and everything looks normal, nothing wrong here.

Humans will not go extinct. They will adapt to eat or burn every other form of life on the planet; or, they will just consume the resources needed for other life to exist.

Mmmmmm. I love hydroponically-grown nutritional yeast as my staple food.

Than being said, I rarely eat meat, I drive the most efficient vehicles I can afford (including EV), I use compact fluorescent and LED lights in my abode; I have water-saving devices & energy saving devices; I buy organic, store things in glass -not plastic; and I have no kids of my own; so... bite me.

deronmoped
Offline
Last seen: 11 years 11 months ago
Joined: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 08:18
Points: 342
Re: Where's the Beef?

I guess you noticed that too, that society, at least ours is disaster driven. Nothing gets done until the shit hits the fan. People drive there ICE cars till they reach in their wallets and find there is no money left, only then do they decide to look for alternatives. This attitude pretty much applies to everything, no one is going to stop eating beef till they can not fit through the door to the Fast Food place.

Deron.

reikiman
reikiman's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 3 weeks ago
Joined: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 17:52
Points: 8447
Re: Where's the Beef?

- David Herron, The Long Tail Pipe, davidherron.com, 7gen.com, What is Reiki
- Electrified Electra To

spinningmagnets
Offline
Last seen: 9 years 11 months ago
Joined: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 20:48
Points: 295
Re: Where's the Beef?

Just for the sake of argument, its cow belching thats bad (though I'm sure a serious cow fart to a dairy farmer is considered a notable event). Cows are "ruminants" and they "chew the cud".

I eat less beef every year, its expensive and hamburger clogs my arteries (but not lean sirloin!)

I eat more chicken and fish as the years go by (don't complain to me about mercury in fish, when I was a kid, we put it on crackers).

Before we started drilling and burning oil and methane, it was bubbling up out of the ground, and methane bubbled up out of the ocean too from the pressure.

I'm in favor of conducting operations in a smart and environmentally friendly way, but whats the carbon footprint of the first week Mt St helens erupted? or the giant lightning-started brushfire in Utah last year?

The real problem is the population growing and corruption in the third/second world.

"Recipies for a small planet" is a good and insightful book. I also like "All the trouble in the world" and "Vacations in Hell" by PJ O'Rourke.

Alias
Offline
Last seen: 11 years 7 months ago
Joined: Monday, October 1, 2007 - 10:04
Points: 307
Re: Where's the Beef?

As in the famous words of Charlie Brown

Oh good grief :?

dogman
dogman's picture
Offline
Last seen: 10 years 11 months ago
Joined: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 15:41
Points: 830
Re: Where's the Beef?

I wasn't trying to be too serious about Texas. We New Mexicans love to hassle Texans. It's very wierd, but you visit texas and the people are very friendly, they care about litter, drive pretty courteous, etc. The very same texan, visiting New Mexico to ski, or hunt, suddenly drives like a maniac, tosses shit out the window, shoots at any sound, thinks all land is public land (it's all private in texas), it's like Jeckle and Hyde! Same thing when they go to colorado.

A texan friend of ours was constantly smacking me down for this attitude of mine till one day in the national forest we get run into the ditch by a big blazer going about 60mph down a twisty dirt road. She starts cussing a blue streak about the drivers. So I asked her, did ya check out the licence plate on that truck? Texas plates. She stopped smacking me down from that day. I guess it may just be a drunk on vacation thing, but we sure wish texas had thier own mountains.

My wife and I also did our part, not reproducing, but It has little impact when the border crosser next door has a US citizen daughter that has two kids before she leaves high school. It's a cultural thing that aint gonna change. In a way, population growth is our own fault, for learning how to produce so much food per acre, and exporting the technology to the whole world. Starvation these days is more likely to be political or economic than climatic. Right now a lot of folks are suffering so we can have biofuel. We need to start doing that with algea, or the crop waste.

Be the pack leader.
36 volt sla schwinn beach cruiser
36 volt lifepo4 mongoose mtb
24 volt sla + nicad EV Global

Log in or register to post comments


Who's online

There are currently 0 users online.

Who's new

  • 10techy
  • bchanfcb1987
  • steve198
  • ste.conca
  • Kim

Customize This