Hi Forum Members,
I've sold my car and I have the money in hand and I need your help. I have a disability that prevents me from operating a motor vehicles, so it's the bus or an electric bike. I don't want to screw-up and buy the wrong thing and be stuck with a piece of junk. I have narrowed my choices to 2 bikes, the X-treme XB-700Li and the Motorino BTr (see links).
I have read lots of good things about the XB-700Li and lots of bad things about the importer X-treme. I know very little about Motorino and the quality of their products and validity of their claims, ie range, speed, etc. I need to get some answers from current owners of both before I part with my hard earned cash. The price of both bikes is within a few hundred dollars of each other.
My job has me traveling to client's offices during the day. The furthest office is 11 miles from my home, with the rest, all on the way home. So minimum daily mileage, going to and from, is going to be probably 25 miles per day. While I may have some days for opportunity charging, some days I may not. I live in Southern California, so temperature is not an issue.
1. Are these a good quality reliable vehicles, that I can drive for a year or more, doing regular basic maintenance? How many miles have you driven yours in total?
2. What is the REAL range of a fully charged battery pack? Is the mileage getting better or worse over time as the battery pack is cycled? Motorino is 60 volts/20amps, so the XB600 modifiers may what to chime in with their experience as this should be identical to some of their set-ups. Is the 40amp Lithium battery of the X-treme far superior to the SLA in the Motorino considering my planned usage.
3. Did your bike get delivered damaged or was everything 100% O.K.
4. Does the XB-700Li have enough storage room for a full face helmet or will I have to add a top mounted box? The Motorino will need a top mounted box purchased.
5. How big of safety issue is the 20mph speed in traffic. Would 30mph make you feel safer or is this not an issue. Motorino says their bike can be modified into a "moped", attaining 30 mph by removing the governor. I haven't read of anyone successfully modifying an XB-700Li to gain additional speed.
6. Hills are not a major part of my daily commute, but we do have a few. Mororino says they have a special hub motor "CCT" (see link) that has electronic gears to help it up hills. Does this sound like the real deal or hype? What has been the experience of X-treme owners in regard to hill climbing as I have heard the "shunt mod" won't work on this bike.
7. How big are these bikes, I never see pictures of any human(s) sitting on the XB-700Li. The Motorino is built on a 125cc dirt bike frame and looks small for two people.
8. Disc verses drum brakes, does it matter in this class of vehicle?
10. Would you buy the bike again and/or would you recommend it to others.
Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.
well I just ordered a xb 700 li and it should be here in a couple days. that other bike you found looks cool but I think the xb is more efficient for what you/I want to use it for the motorino looks more for off road riding and i doubt it has the road life or performance of the lithium-ion batteries,... that and the xb has a 700 watt motor and looks lighter than the motorino. I would suggest the xb over the motorino. From the reports i have read everything is good with the xb and i've heard long battery life is abundant. the xb does have a govoner but it comes disconnected to the u.s. (a blue wire under the seat) so they say.
I own an XB 700Li and love it. I am a 200lb guy and it hauls me around just fine. The most I have pushed it is about 18 miles in one day and the needle never left the full charge mark.
The below the seat storage will not hold a full face helmet but it holds my half helmet just fine. There is a storage under the back of the seat but I don't think it is large enough either.
As far as maintenance goes, I recharge every night, I wash it usually once a week, and I keep things tightened up and tidy. I ride in the rain quite a bit here in Oregon and I haven't had any issues so far. I have a little over 500 miles on it now, since September of last year, and it still runs perfect.
There were no damages from shipping although there were two small punctures to the outer cardboard box.
The 20mph wall is fine for me. I have one bridge to cross which is listed at 40mph and the cars are usually respectful. I wear a bright colored jacket with a reflector vest.
I have one small hill to get over during my 5 mile commute and it only slows down to about 16 mph, only a couple of miles per hour slower. I think in your stated situation that the XB would be fine.
Others have had some problems but mostly I think they had problems with Alpha Products International's customer service.
The XB has drum brakes as well as a sort of Regen brake. When you squeeze the lever slightly after a one second delay the "Jake" style brake will kick in and slow you down fairly rapidly. I have made the tires slide with a good hard squeeze so I have no worries about brakes on the scoot.
All in all I think my XB is a fairly solid machine although some of the plastic body could be a little better built. I also like the windshield/ wind deflector. :)
Whatever you buy, Welcome to the club and happy and safe scooting from Oregon. Scott.
We purchased one of the 700Li on August 2008. We believe we were one of the first ones to get one of these bikes. The reason we got it is because we wanted to get rid of one of our vehicles. We were using our small car for short errands in town. The insurance money we pay per year will pay alone for this bike. The car payment, gas expense, registration fees, maintenance fees, etc, etc. Will put much needed savings in our retirement instead of the wasteful and efficient car. Thanks to the bike we got rid of one the cars we owned.
We are in the shipping supplies business. We liked the bike so much and the idea of not paying gas and all the associated expenses with a car, that we became a Electric Bike dealer in our area. Here in California we pay one of the highest prices for gas.
If you are still in the market for the bike, we would love to help you become independent. We offer additional help for our customers and we are one of the few online dealers that actually use this products.
Here some answers to your questions:
The vehicles are not the highest quality that you might expect from the Japanese made bikes. But for the price we paid the quality of the vehicle is more than adequate. The US Distributor has been improving their shipping and quality. They switch freight carriers and improved their packing. We are not saying that they are perfect but they are trying and improving. We received our bike almost five months ago with Zero damage. It was easy to assemble. Please keep in mind that is a good idea to be a bit mechanically inclined or have easy acess to someone that is mechanically inclined. We only had a problem with the charger and Xtreme sent us replacement right away. You can call their customer support to speak to someone live.
We have driven our bike for over 500 miles. We live in small town with that allow us to do short errands. We installed a bicycle computer to measure the true speed and miles driven.
We have tested the bike for over 40 miles with out recharging it. We are not sure what is the limit of the bike. We believe the Lithium battery is superior than SLAs. You do not have to charge the battery as often, it has a longer warranty (12 months) and should last a lot longer.
The 21 MPH maximum speed we get is more than enough for us. It is fast enough to go where we need to and slow enough for us not to get in trouble. We always use the bike line and park anywhere we want to. So far the local police has ignored us. The steering lock and the alarm are very easy to use. No need for remote control, just push the horn button when the bike is in off position. The bike will make a very loud and annoying noise when moved, that we are sure, will deter any would be thief.
I weight 180 pounds 5'11", my wife weighs 140 and we ride together often. The bike has no problem taking us where we need to go. The bike is about the same size as any Vespa Italian scooter or Chinese made 50 cc Gas scooters.
We recommend to always wear the bright colored clothing or safety vests. We always assume the gas guzzlers drivers do not see us.
We have sold a few bike in our area. We will buy more of these for our personal use. We were even thinking putting two of these together side by side to build a small city car. That will be in the future when we have more time.
We are are an active member of this community, you can see our comments on several of the threads about the 700Li.
Do not hesitete to contact us via email or phone. Please visit our site for more information.
We look forward hearing from you.
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mauser6863, what is the price on the motorino? Randel Hanford Ca.
Am I too late? If you haven't already made your choice, I would recommend avoiding anything Motorino (Greenwit, E-Ride et al.). Unless I am just the sole unlucky customer, which one of their employees leads me to believe otherwise, Motorino products are not worth the money. Cheap, plastic parts that break off within a couple months, faulty parts and construction. As a matter of fact, during my first month with it I didn't even have it since I had to constantly take it back for repairs to the electronics. It just kept dying. I'm actually putting together a log of my experience with it, from the trouble before I even took it out of the shop to its current state as a driveway ornament and shock hazard.
Check out Veloteq--wish I had bought one of these instead of XB700
please be careful from the company ur are ordering it from..troy and john from extreme in iowa have very slow response to ur needs.say u order tires, u could wait almost 2 months before u receive them.that is not good,,but as soon as u place ur order the money is taken out of ur account, and then ur are stuck,,they dont care.!!that we use these to get back and from work,!!and when ever they feel to send it thats when u get it ,,my recent experiance with them is i ordered batteries from them,cost me 250.00 ,,please under stand that i also use this to get back and forth to work,the new batteries took 1 and a half months to get to me ,why they said they where backed up and they had to connect them,ok i took it in stride ,luckly i have 2 chargers so i keep 1 at work so i can recharge to get home .keep in mind 8 mile ride,each way,now after 1 and a half months later i finally received the new batteries,yaa!!!not !! the new batteries could only go for 15 miles, quess what the last 2 miles i pedalling,it,s rough but it can be done,,ok ,so i get back on the phone with them ,,u will be really lucky if u can,and told them the problem ,i also told him that the new battiers where expanding and cracked,he told me that one of the new batteries was probly bad witch caused the other to burn up ,ok agree with that so i expected them to send out the new batteries right away ,quess whAT IM STILL WAITING 4 WEEKS LATER FOR A TRACKING # BOTTOM LINE THESE GUYS TAKE UR MONEY QUICK AND SEND OUT WHAT U NEED AT THEIR CONVENCINCE
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A XTREME DEALER THAT TAKES CARE OF OF IT,S CUSTOMERS IN A TIMELY FASHION WOULD BE GREATLY APPREICIATED
ALSO THE BATTERIES WHERE NOT CONNECTED THEY DID,NT DO A THING BESIDE,S MAKE ME GO THOUGH HARDSHIPS AND IM STILL GOING THROUGH IT,,IT WAS JUST A SCAM..THE SHOULD BE CALLED EXTREME SCAN.!!!!PLEASE EVERYONE BE AWARE ..