Headlight for Custom Electric Motorcycle: Halogen, LED, HID, Other?

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Headlight for Custom Electric Motorcycle: Halogen, LED, HID, Other?

I bought a Yamaha SRX250 that was converted to electric drive by an engineer in Washington, and i'm fixing it up to be street legal in California (turn signals, etc.) He had installed a single LED as the headlight bulb, and it was much too dim for me. I've replaced it with a stock Halogen bulb for the moment, but I'd like to find a better solution. Ideally, something that draws the least amount of power while still lighting up at least as bright as the stock lamp, perhaps even brighter. Any suggestions? I think it takes an H4.

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Re: Headlight for Custom Electric Motorcycle: Halogen, LED, HID,

Hm - it seems that aftermarket HID conversion are illegal in the US...

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Where did you hear that, Momo?

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Re: Headlight for Custom Electric Motorcycle: Halogen, LED, HID,

Ah yes, I suppose I shoudl cite my sources:)

The laws governing HID lamps full under the jurisdiction of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, also known as the NHTSA. They have a set of rules/laws called the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and Regulations. The regulation regarding HIDs is FMVSS No. 108, which sets standards for Lamps, Reflective Devices, and Associated Equipment. While it's quite a dense read, there is an official response to a dealer's inquiry here: Jeff Deetz Inquiry wherein Jaqueline Glassman, Chief Counsel for the NHTSA explains that HID conversion kits that replace H1/H4 bulbs etc. make extensive changes to the basic workings of the bulb (since they are a different technology) which no longer conform to the NHTSA standards. Therefore they are not allowed.

I guess there is a difference made between aftermarket conversion kits such as the one addressed in the above letter, and factory-installed OEM HID lighting kits, which must adhere to NHTSA standards.

More examples of NHTSA responses to HID Kits:

Song Kim Letter
Simon Shih Letter

Here's a lawyer's office that advertises their services to people blinded by HID lights in Texas.

Also, consider this letter sent from the NHTSA to an HID Seller:

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SUBJECT: Why don't you tell the truth about the 'HID ban'
No HID retrofit kit can be legally sold. It is that simple.

Richard x. xxx xxxxxxxxx
Chief, Visibility and Injury Prevention Division
400 Seventh Street, S.W., Room 5307
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
Washington, DC 20590
001 202 366 xxxx V
001 202 366 xxxx F
richard.xxxxxxxxxxxx [at] nhtsa.dot.gov

The opinions expressed in this message are my own and not necessarily the
official position of NHTSA on this matter. Should you need an official
confirmation of an answer or need a legal opinion that would be used as a
basis by you for making a decision on a business or legal matter, you
should write to:

Chief Counsel
400 Seventh Street, S.W., Room 5219
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
Washington DC 20590
001 202 366 3820 F
counsel [at] nhtsa.dot.gov
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Source for above.

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Thank you, Momo - very informative and accurate.

I suppose there are other restrictions on LEDs as well? I was thinking of changing out the incandescent marker / brake/ turn signal bulbs for the long lasting, low powered LEDs in the hopes of a little more energy savings on the electric vehicles.

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Re: Headlight for Custom Electric Motorcycle: Halogen, LED, HID,

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Thanks for the nice report, got a link to where thet can be perchased?

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Re: Headlight for Custom Electric Motorcycle: Halogen, LED, HID,

Arctic Fox - I'm not sure about the LEDs. Many of these letters proclaiming the illegality of HIDS seem to focus on the idea of replacing the bulb without making changes to the lens, and that this is where a lot of the glare problems, etc. come from. Since LED kits can be purchased the contain their own lenses, they may not violate the same statutes. Also, I think it's much less of an issue for brake/turn signals than it is for Headlights.

That said, I don't have any real references for this, you may want to dig around the NHTSA site a bit. Also, you can consider sending a letter to the Chief Justice of the NHTSA if you want a real legal opinion - they might ask for a sample of the product like they did for the HID lamps.

Gman - if you really want an HID replacement kit, they are easily available on the web with a quick Google search.

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Re: Headlight for Custom Electric Motorcycle: Halogen, LED, HID,

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