Verde Logo Used Illegally By X-tremescooters

In my understanding of trademark ...

A given trademark registration is per-country. If Verde Auto's only registered trademarks in Ireland then that trademark doesn't apply to U.S.

It's up to the owner of the trademark to defend the trademark.

What damage is there to customers if a company misuses another company's logo?

I removed the Verde "sticker" - it peels off really easy. I think Xtreme's CEM (Mountain Chen's facility) is using the same plastic parts used to fab the Verde model in the same plant and this is just an artifact of the first models shipped.

What "Verde" logo is this? What does it look like and where is it on the XM3.5kLi?

We are not China or Ireland, but we do respect trademarks of other countries, especially those who are allies.
The company in the US is who needs to be straightened out. I purchased a product in good faith and so did many others. We were all misled by this company.

You're confusing the issue - the Verde logo issue is not the battle you appear to want to fight. I'm pretty sure no one bought these bikes because they thought they were a Verde bike. I'm in total agreement with eped's hypothesis. If we ask Mountain Chen I'm sure he can tell us that there's a reason (he might tell us our eyesight isn't accurate).

Now, I'm not saying that Verde Autos in Ireland don't have the right to be po'd and want something done about it. They have a reputation to protect. But let them complain about it to the proper folks. They don't need you to do it for them. (Verde if you read this kudos to you for a good logo and a nice choice of green. At least one person I've shown the bike to LOVES your logo!)

I imagine the misleading of customers that you're talking about is more performance or feature related. So, if you're going to start demanding restitution you might at least want to consider what you're actually asking for. Otherwise you just come across as someone who's angry for a very strange reason.

If I'm wrong and you are actually pissed off because you got a bike with a sticker on the front of it that you didn't expect then more fool me. You go and demand that they send someone round to your house and peel it off straight away!

Yes, I'm tired and crotchety. Yes, there is much about the XM-3500Li not to be happy about. But complaining about the frickin' sticker on the front of the darn thing takes the prize for the least important thing to focus on.

P.S. the sticker on the back of my bike say XB rather than XM. I think that's the real problem - if they'd labeled it right I'm sure all of these other problems would just go away.

p.p.s. yes, I just did say the XM-3500Li has much to be unhappy about and yes I do still sell them. Show me another bike for $4049 delivered to your door that has LiFePO4 batteries installed. If you know what you're getting and it meets your requirements then it's still worth it. It's not as much of a bargain as I'd hoped it would be (more fool me).

This XM3500li is in appearance just like your 3000 model.

Very interesting. The Verde 2500 also looks just like a Zapino . . .
Mountain Chen used to make Zapino's.

This is pure speculation, but it makes me wonder if Verde sources parts in China for their scooters, and then "other" Chinese manufacturers have some additional Verde parts made to create their bikes. But which parts? Could it include most or even all parts? Could these be clones of the Verde? I could imagine Verde sourcing some parts elsewhere, then the Chinese manufacturer(s) would have to find replacements for those parts, and this could result in performance/quality differences for their products. I'm not sure how legal any of that would be, but the Chinese have a reputation for not respecting Intellectual Property laws.

Of course it could also be that both bikes are just based on the same Chinese Gas scooter, and there is no IP issue involved. Do all XM3500Li's have the Verde stickers or only a few?

Color me confused (not Green). I am not sure which scooter is the Verde that is being talked about.
Here is a picture that shows the VerdE Sticker (I think). I can't comment on where this scooter came
from so please do not ask. It is right in front below the light. A Green V with the name VERDE above it.

If I had to guess, I would bet this is really the same bike. I mean Verde's quote of "The Verde 3000 can achieve 88km/h but with favorable conditions (average sized rider, level ground, etc). However, 80-85km/h top speed can be achieved with almost anybody up to 250lbs." Just about matches up with Xtreme's claims. Most likely they both source this scooter from Mountain Chen and he just forgot to yank the Verde sticker off of the shipments to the U.S. I may be completely off base here, and certainly the stickers could cause some confusion, but eXtreme isn't advertising their scoots as Verde scoots. Even if there are differences in what Verde sells as a final product, it's probably still from the same factory in China and the body is exactly the same, so I'd still guess it's a manufacturing screw-up and not malicious intent.

Color me confused (not Green). I am not sure which scooter is the Verde that is being talked about.

Robert, sorry if I confused things. The thread is primarily concerned with the Verde 3000 being like the XM3500Li, but I also noticed that the Verde 2500 looks exactly like a Zapino. Click on the Verde link and tell me what a Zapino owner things about that.

I can't help but notice that the Verde folks are primarily concerned about the illegal use of their sticker, not someone stealing their designs, which supports the speculation that Mountain Chen makes both.

-= Alan

I'm not understanding. Dave bought the XM-3500Li from X-Treme scooters? Now he's trying to start trouble with some unknown company on the other side of the planet, because of a sticker?

Wow. If your conscious is keeping you from sleeping at night, you should just get rid of the scooter - you wouldn't want to be connected to alleged illegal activities (there must be some international sticker laws), would you? :)

Or you could just peel off the misplaced sticker, and enjoy your new scooter.

What are your questions? Perhaps someone could answer them here. :)

I'd also like support from the makers, who at this time are unknown.

If by "the makers" you mean the manufacturer then that is very much known. It's made by www.erider.cn which is a company owned by Mountain Chen. Mountain posts on this site.

What questions do you have?

LMFAO!

David wants to start international wars. Johnathan just wants to sell him another scooter.

What's wrong with this picture?