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Dear Mik,
I don't agree that its inappropriate on a forum devoted to the Vectrix, which is arguably the worlds best electric scooter but that obviously has some major problems to post a link and quotes based on a test ride that stated that both this scooter and the Vectrix are high quality scooters and that this scooter had slightly better performance. This is supported by the fact that there has been some genuine interest in this product. Also "plugging of this hype and vapour ware" seems excessively harsh.
Regardless I think your critical/harsh/hostile response is surprising for someone who is so helpful and its more inappropriate than any offense I might have committed. I was trying to think of a constructive response when I remembered this story (you can sometimes learn a lot from the lives of great men):
So I have tried my best, with somewhat limited success, not to accept your "gift".
So purchasing a $9k-$11k scooter made in Poland with a $5k Chinese battery pack is better than purchasing a $7.5k scooter assembled in the U.S. with $5k-6.5k of Chinese components?
Best Wishes!
Mitch
please -consider that the "9k-11K" scooter built in Poland is subsizided because Vx bought so many NiMH batteries in 2007! With a bill of materials 13.5k not even counting overhead, it is easily selling for half of what they should have been charging..
So when a $7.5 k scooter is offered, if its business model is viable, it needs to be examined. I dont know about this ZEV bike, but I hope its good. I can tell you that if you buy or produce your own drive train components and you supervise production and conduct pre delivery inspections before shipping bikes, you can deliver reliable AND affordable bikes from China (see Plug in Drive Tech). I also think we need quality and technology BEFORE design.. So we shoudl have no problem with a company invetsing in technology instead of hundreds of thousands in tooling.
Hey MitchJi,
I must apologise for the misunderstanding. As I've said before, there are 9 brands importing this scooter near home. I was lucky to have a close look at one unpanneled teycars cantabrico, another look at a completely dismantled Goelix taiga, and a brief glimpse to a Bereco Voltio. I could notice some minor differences between them (different components, different plastic quality), but the Chinese frame/brakes/wheel diameter etc were the same. I thought incorrectly that the scooter you posted, which shows the exact-same shape of the 3 I know, had a similar quality.
Please, let me explain why I got so nervous:
I'm trying to convince my friends to try electric motorbikes.
They like the taste of electric scooters, but some buy cheap chinese. And look at what happended: two friends had damaged - unbalanced thundersky batteries, another a small accident (front wheel locked on wet). They are giving up and buying petrol scooters again. MitchJi, this is why I'm getting very nervous with this Chinese scooters. They behave so bad that my friends don't want them any more, and they are returning to the fossil burners. These scooters are ruining any "faith"/confidence in electric vehicles. I personally believe that we must ask for good quality electric scooter that must safely outperform traditional gas scooters.
About the tesla.. that's True: With the first speed they achieved over 60 mph in 4 seconds, and with the second speed they optained 120 MPH.But adds complexity, weight, and friction.
I'm not sure, but I think the problem was that the tremendous torque of the engine broke some transmission box. With one single speed, they achieved a clean solution, more power and more torque.. with more range! In my opinion, if the engine is well designed, the vehicle does not need any speed gearbox. ;-)
MitchJi - please don't insult your readers' intelligence. You made a post with a headline that screams marketing. It's a one line advertisement. The post then makes a bunch of claims as to why the ZEV is better than the VX-1. Posting it in a Vectrix forum and claiming to be better than Vectrix is in no way in support of the Vectrix community. Personally, I'd have more respect for you and for the ZEV company which you promote if you simply said "Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, perhaps the moderator can move it?"
I've been guilty of posting CuMoCo information to the wrong places - and I've made a good faith effort to respect the community by now posting stuff in the right places.
It's a small thing to ask that folks be polite (that goes to you too Mik - even when provoked by these sorts of shenanigans)
David (the moderator) : Please consider moving this thread to a ZEV category. Thanks.
John H. Founder of Current Motor Company - opinions on this site belong to me; not to my employer
Remember: " 'lectric for local. diesel for distance" - JTH, Amp Bros || "No Gas.
A-MEN!!! I would have looked at your post just because you claim a 7100W motor!
I have come to the conclusion that the Vectrix people here are in a separate "clas" ! they tend to be Impotent People,with above average intelligence,I think they think this page is for them. and you need to make your Own page . I m not going to carry a long dialog about This !!!! LaTeR
thank GOD I wake up above ground !!!!
Strawhistle... then what are you doing here?
"doing nothin = doing nothing wrong" is invalid when the subject is environment
Paul - any news on when you might be able to do a test ride?
John H. Founder of Current Motor Company - opinions on this site belong to me; not to my employer
Remember: " 'lectric for local. diesel for distance" - JTH, Amp Bros || "No Gas.
I posted my test ride report as a separate thread under "electric motorcycles and large scooters" (no sub-topic).
http://visforvoltage.org/forum/10045-test-ride-zev-scooters
Paul D.
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