ERider 8000W scooter - Australia (similar to xm5000li)

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Re: ERider 8000W scooter - Australia (similar to xm5000li)

Wow, that's fantastic John. Yes, I started with an e-bike, then the electric scooter, then moved on to the electric Nissan LEAF.

My scooter battery voltage only dropped to 74.9v this morning under full throttle and 8.2kw! I have also seen an improvement in the "fuel economy" of the electric car as well. Batteries do like to be warm, but not too warm.

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Spoke to Eric this morning (very helpful). I'll be getting a quote tomorrow for a Lightning Bolt and shipping to Perth (never a cheap thing) If all looks reasonable, I'll be placing an order. I fly model airplanes as my other hobby and have many years experience with LiPo and Life batteries and their management. I know what you mean about battery temperature, although in WA, the problem is dealing with the summer days with temps in the mid 30's plus most of the time :-)

All good though. I find this whole technology fascinating

Will post more when I receive the goods

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Spoke to Eric this morning (very helpful). I'll be getting a quote tomorrow for a Lightning Bolt and shipping to Perth (never a cheap thing) If all looks reasonable, I'll be placing an order. I fly model airplanes as my other hobby and have many years experience with LiPo and Life batteries and their management. I know what you mean about battery temperature, although in WA, the problem is dealing with the summer days with temps in the mid 30's plus most of the time :-)

All good though. I find this whole technology fascinating

Will post more when I receive the goods

Cheers

John

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Sorry about the multiple postings, the site said it had failed and I tried again

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Re: ERider 8000W scooter - Australia (similar to xm5000li)

temperature isn't that much of a problem - upper internal temp limit of LiFePO4 cells is 65 deg C

as long as there is a reasonable amount of plastic between the sun and the battery (which there is on those scooters) than you should be fine even on 45 deg C days.

I have had LiFePO4 cells in my vectrix since 2010, and haven't had an issue despite riding year round, including parking in the sun on 45 deg days

I wouldn't mind seeing what the build quality is like on the new mountain chen scooters

I had a 5kw thunder apart back before he started using sevcon controllers, and it was ok except for the plastic body (really hard to pull apart, or put back together)

that was a couple of years ago now

I'm in Perth too, if you're up for meeting up when you get your new bike

out of curiosity, what did you pay?

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Spoke to Eric this morning (very helpful). I'll be getting a quote tomorrow for a Lightning Bolt and shipping to Perth (never a cheap thing) If all looks reasonable, I'll be placing an order. I fly model airplanes as my other hobby and have many years experience with LiPo and Life batteries and their management. I know what you mean about battery temperature, although in WA, the problem is dealing with the summer days with temps in the mid 30's plus most of the time :-)

All good though. I find this whole technology fascinating

Will post more when I receive the goods

Cheers

John

That's exciting news John!! If you do get one, would you mind sharing a photo? I used to be into RC car racing, that's when I saw how much faster electric was even over the most powerful nitro! I'm flying quadcopters now (drones) experimenting with GPS waypoint autonomous flight. Gett very good video's from the drone too...anyway a bit off subject. It's now getting warmer here in Canberra and the voltage is no longer sagging to 70v at full throttle. This morning I had a Vmin of 73.7v and a Amax of 112.7A. I didn't get an accurate Odo reading but I think its around 12,140km? I'll update later.

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eRider 8000w Scooter - PDT Version
72v 50AH CHL battery
350A Sevcon controller

24km: Delivered - 24 September 2011
2490km: Installed dual 35w HID lights Bi-Xenon Projectors - 27 November 2011
8313km: Installed BMS -

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Thanks Matt, you are probably correct. We do terrible things to RC Lipo batteries that wouldn't be replicated with the ones in our scooters!!

I'm still waiting on the quote, so not sure how much it will come to yet. Will post as soon as I hear.

Yes, would love to meet up once I get the beast, it would be good to get another local perspective on the electric scene.

We can swap notes when I get delivery

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Sure will! Staying off topic a moment. I fly the DJI Hexacopter with Nasi controller and GPS. I'm filming with the GoPro 3D kit, just incredible quality.

So how old are your batteries now?

Matt seems to be getting great longevity with daily use.

I think they last much longer with regular use and good management

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John

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I had a 5kw thunder apart back before he started using sevcon controllers, and it was ok except for the plastic body (really hard to pull apart, or put back together)

How true, how true... That is why I first asked my former dealer for some tips and then documented every screw and bolt and panel I took off the first time around and put it into a Word file for reference. I already sent it around to various folks with Thunders / GK183 / etc. And I still need it myself whenever I am forced to tear the thing apart - and put it back together properly. I am now down to 45minutes for a stripdown to the battery box, but putting back together can easily take double as long.

Now back to the proper content of this thread, VK2008 / Lightning :-)

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I fly the DJI Hexacopter with

Dag-nammit! I fly a Parrot AR Drone 2.0 which struggles with my Hero3 Black. Been considering (drooling) over a DJI Phantom quad copter...

Update: 13 September 2013 @ 12,169.8km
Canberra had a cold snap last night at -3°c and this morning I was back to 70.9v under 8kw of acceleration. If I have time this weekend, I will try and measure every cell voltage and record them on the forum after a full charge to see how the cells are going. Personally, if I can still get 50Ah out of the 50Ah cells, then they must be doing pretty good.

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eRider 8000w Scooter - PDT Version
72v 50AH CHL battery
350A Sevcon controller

24km: Delivered - 24 September 2011
2490km: Installed dual 35w HID lights Bi-Xenon Projectors - 27 November 2011
8313km: Installed BMS -

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I'm still waiting on the quote, so not sure how much it will come to yet. Will post as soon as I hear.

Yes, would love to meet up once I get the beast, it would be good to get another local perspective on the electric scene.

Before you buy that scooter, have a look at the Goevcs scooters at Causeway Yamaha

they're no relation of mine, but it's worth having a look at most of the bikes in the segment

btw - do you have a motorbike licence?

most electrics bikes are LAMS listed

Matt

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Thanks for the heads up Matt

I did look at the Govecs as well as the ZAP 5000, both a bit small and underpowered for me, plus the instruments looked a bit naf.

In the end I ordered the ERider 8kw today, $5,900 inc. Should arrive here Oct 1st.

Yes, had a license longer than I care to think about. I use a gas scooter to commute at the moment and my fun ride is a Suzuki Boulevard M109r (see pic below)

Will post pics when she arrives

Cheers

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WOW!!!

That's fantastic news Johnny!!! I can't wait to hear (and see) your experiences with it! I wish there was someone around here with an EV so I could go for an EV ride :)

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eRider 8000w Scooter - PDT Version
72v 50AH CHL battery
350A Sevcon controller

24km: Delivered - 24 September 2011
2490km: Installed dual 35w HID lights Bi-Xenon Projectors - 27 November 2011
8313km: Installed BMS -

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jonnyfive: Sweet! After a bit of back and forthing and a slight delay, I'm finally getting mine (albeit, a 6kW bike with the 150A Sabvoton controller + eRider's new high efficiency motor) before the end of the week! Super excited!

Courtesy of our good friend, Mountain Chen:

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Thats brilliant Branng, its great to see these scooters being purchased, it will help the development of the cells and ultimately bring down the costs for everyone. Keep us posted on how everything goes.

Cant wait for mine to arrive now

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yeh Phil, not enough charging points on the Nulabar :-)
Good job we have this forum to share our experiences

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Hey Matt, did you register your scooter yourself?

If so, any tips?

It looks fairly straightforward, but this is WA!

Appreciate any tips you have

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Hi John,

I did register my Vectrix myself, but I didn't do much more than take it to the pits in welshpool

do make sure you have proof of ownership (paid invoice with your name and the bikes vin is enough)

also make sure the compliance plate is attached

look forward to seeing your new bike

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Thanks Matt. Eric sent me the compliance plate and invoice, so all should be well. The scooter is delivered this Tuesday, so I'll post some initial pics as soon as I can

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Well, she has arrived and all is looking good.

The first appointment I could get with the vehicle inspectors is next Wednesday, so I have to be patient :-(

I've had a few dashes up and down my long, 220mtr drive and she certainly does fly.

Phil, there looks to be a couple of differences to your model, the charging point is under a little panel, not under the seat and I have the later charging gauge I think. Eric is sending on a manual at the weekend.

On that subject, I have to say that Eric has been excellent through the whole process, great communication and shipping was faultless. It really makes you feel confident you have good support if anything goes amiss.

Sorry about the picture quality, but its a bit gloomy here at the moment

More pics when I get things out and about.

One last question, I want to order a Cycle Analyst, but there seems to be a couple of variants. Do I get one with a shunt, or the one that plugs straight into the controller? (A Sevcon I believe)

Thanks in advance for your advice

Cheers

John

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Congratulations John on your new electric ride :-) Erider Australia's Eric seems to be one of the very few REALLY dedicated electric scooter importers on this planet, so you guys can count yourselves very lucky Down Under!

As for a Cycle Analyst you will need the "High Current Model (CA-HC)", and make sure to order the 0.5 mOhm external shunt for up to 150A continuous, 400A peak along with it. And if you are little geeky (like me) you might also want to get the Analogger with it.

The plugin version only works together with certain controllers that Grin Technologies tweak in order for this to work.

I have had the CA-HC in service for 1.5 years of continuous riding, and apart from two no longer working LH buttons in tht time it has worked wonderfully. And both times I got a new replacement front enclosure for free, Grin's service is quite outstanding too :-) We are currently trying to work out what exactly causes my LH button failures, which appear to be a rather unusual failure mode.

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WOW!!

Thanks for the photo's!! I like the scooter in WHITE!!

Yes your dash is very different to mine. I'd like to see what the lights do on the right. I didn't know the charge socket was down there, not a big deal I guess. I changed my tires 2 weekends ago. I tried it myself but no luck. So I caved and paid $20 each to get them changed at a motorbike shop. Here are some photos. You can also see the new tread on the red bike compared to my wife's blue bike. Much nicer and softer ride. I changed the tires at 12,319.8Km

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eRider 8000w Scooter - PDT Version
72v 50AH CHL battery
350A Sevcon controller

24km: Delivered - 24 September 2011
2490km: Installed dual 35w HID lights Bi-Xenon Projectors - 27 November 2011
8313km: Installed BMS -

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Thanks for the advice ME Roller, I ordered the CA model and shunt you stated, should arrive next week. Well, Phil, I'm impressed with your strategic use of the milk crates :-)
12k is not bad for tyres, I suspect they have taken some lively treatment over the years you've had the bike!

I've tried to take some pics of the gauges, but doesn't come out well at night, so will try again over the weekend. As I said, Eric is going to e-mail me a copy of the manual he is finishing off this weekend

Will post again with more info

Cheers

John

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Thanks for the advice ME Roller, I ordered the CA model and shunt you stated, should arrive next week. Well, Phil, I'm impressed with your strategic use of the milk crates :-)
12k is not bad for tyres, I suspect they have taken some lively treatment over the years you've had the bike!

I've tried to take some pics of the gauges, but doesn't come out well at night, so will try again over the weekend. As I said, Eric is going to e-mail me a copy of the manual he is finishing off this weekend

Will post again with more info

Cheers

John

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Congratulations John on your new electric ride :-) Erider Australia's Eric seems to be one of the very few REALLY dedicated electric scooter importers on this planet, so you guys can count yourselves very lucky Down Under!

As for a Cycle Analyst you will need the "High Current Model (CA-HC)", and make sure to order the 0.5 mOhm external shunt for up to 150A continuous, 400A peak along with it. And if you are little geeky (like me) you might also want to get the Analogger with it.

The plugin version only works together with certain controllers that Grin Technologies tweak in order for this to work.

I have had the CA-HC in service for 1.5 years of continuous riding, and apart from two no longer working LH buttons in tht time it has worked wonderfully. And both times I got a new replacement front enclosure for free, Grin's service is quite outstanding too :-) We are currently trying to work out what exactly causes my LH button failures, which appear to be a rather unusual failure mode.

Don't say that,my friend,we have another 2 shipment just arrived in Germany last week.

And another 2 shipment arrived in Austria too,no far away from you,one of them are full of maxi PUMA scooters.

Next week,one container scooter will arrive in Italy,this is his 2nd order in 2013.

Erider is coming back !

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Congratulations John on your new electric ride :-) Erider Australia's Eric seems to be one of the very few REALLY dedicated electric scooter importers on this planet, so you guys can count yourselves very lucky Down Under!

Don't say that,my friend,we have another 2 shipment just arrived in Germany last week.
And another 2 shipment arrived in Austria too,no far away from you,one of them are full of maxi PUMA scooters.
Next week,one container scooter will arrive in Italy,this is his 2nd order in 2013.

Erider is coming back !

Mountain, I REALLY MEAN what I wrote, even though I am happy for you that things are beginning to pick up again. I have seen so many importers and dealers go down the drain in the last two years that I know for sure that people importing and dealing with electric two-wheelers with a solid business model and just as solid business ethics are a VERY rare breed indeed! Too many "black sheep" (and in part also their suppliers...) have very badly impaired the reputation of electric scooters here in central Europe, and you are suffering from these peoples' in some cases just unlucky conduct, but in others also just plain short-term greed :-(

And the "new kids on the block" first need to demonstrate their integrity, and prove to me (or rather the public at large) that they MEAN BUSINESS in the long term.

And yes, I have heard that the communal Puma & Co. order finally arrived in Austria last week, after a "mere" 4 moths in the making. It is now snowing in the Austrian mountains, summer is over and done with. Bad timing ;-)
And those Pumas still need some serious attention concerning the build quality! I have not yet seen nor heard very much, but the few bits I did see and hear clearly indicated that the bikes should get a serious overhaul before they are put into everyday use. But I am sure ZWV will get back to you on these issues in the very near future.
The good thing is that Puma seems to be visually very appealing to the folks here, and at least the 9kW version I heard of seems to have some serious oomph :-) Very mouth-watering...

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Thanks for your encourage.....

Yes,PUMA delay such a long time because of BMS issue.

Now we use 2 separated DC converters so that every diagram is more reiliable than before.

I think they will post feeback from EU forum soon.

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Hi all!

I have some exciting news. I was in Melbourne this weekend and caught up with Eric from eRider. Talked a lot about electric scooters etc. In his warehouse he had the all new eRider ZEUS!!!! It is a maxi-scooter, has the new motor and 84v of CHL batteries! He even let me have a short ride. Here is a little video showing how powerful it is!! After just 3 minutes riding up and down the lane...I WANT ONE. It has even LESS noise than my eRider PDT 8000w scooter (I didn't think that was possible) but after 15km/h....OMG!!!! This thing really starts to get up some pace!! Such smoother acceleration and it just never seems to end!! It is MUCH bigger than my scooter and I can't describe how comfortable the seat is! Very nice all round. Here is a photo of me on the bike and a short video on youtube.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAEjsTyF7Ys

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eRider 8000w Scooter - PDT Version
72v 50AH CHL battery
350A Sevcon controller

24km: Delivered - 24 September 2011
2490km: Installed dual 35w HID lights Bi-Xenon Projectors - 27 November 2011
8313km: Installed BMS -

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Phil, that is very exciting news! I currently havea Jetmax maxi scooter and the larger size suits me very well. What is the capacity of these batteries? If the range extends with the speed, it will definitely be a winner, certainly looks good

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THAT is the one that I am saving for !!
But I am a little confused, I thought it was a Puma or Maxi Puma ? Is that the 12,000w one?
Here is would be classified as a Motorcycle as it goes over 40mph.
Can you tell me, since I can not try one here, when you sit on it... Are your arms farther out on the handles then with your 8kw one ?
This is the only thing that might bother me. I am used to riding big cruiser motorcycles (but have ridden them all) and like distance from handles to seat.
I tested a small 50cc gas scoot the other day and the short reach to the handles really bothered me.

But now you see why I am saving money to get this one shipped to me :D

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