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Hi,
while the below is definitely not free of hype, it nevertheless contains multiple very interesting bits of information.
This is where I found it:
http://www.techonline.com/product/underthehood/202103635
I have bolded the bits I find especially interesting and had not seen before.
Check the above link to see the diagrams etc in full size.
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Here are some pictures available through the links on the original website:
Mr. Mik
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Here is a link to what might be the adapter to connect a Vectrix to a laptop.
I am not sure if this is the right adapter.
Could anyone who understands how a CANbus works explain, please?
Would one need the adapter with optically isolated CAN?
What would one likely be able to diagnose or program without access to the Vectrix software? (CAN software apparently comes with the adapter).
http://www.testech-elect.com/phytec/can-pc-peak.htm
There are of course other vendors for this sort of adapter.
Mr. Mik
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Hi Mik,
how can it reach 62mph at 5000rpm with 140/60 13" tires and a 6:1 ratio ?
I only get 48.6mph ??
Should i understand this 5000rpm limitation is only at start up ?
Jean-François
Ratatouille wrote:
I agree! The maths do not add up; a rough calculation shows that the rear wheel needs a much larger radius than it has.
I'll try to measure the wheel circumference later on - all that imperial measurement business for tires is too confusing for me... ;-)
The rpm limitation is only for the top speed; they limit the torque somehow at zero to 50km/h, something I would really like to change, because the acceleration was insufficient until I got to 50km/h. Average cars could outrun me at traffic lights.
("was" because my Vectrix is still dead).
Mr. Mik
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140 = width of the tire (mm)
60 = height of the tire in percentage of the width (140*0.60) (mm)
13 = rim diameter (inch)
In the real world, depends also on total load, tire pressure and wear.
Your acceleration-stop video shows also a 0 to 80km/h in 11 seconds instead of 8.6 seconds claimed.
Jean-François
I agree,
While there is some interesting stuff in that article I am not completely sure on its accurace.
Is the model they address a preproduction or prototype?
My bike is registered a a Vectrix eMS instead of VX1 or whatever they cite it as.
I know for a fact that there is no display/light for the horn on the dash, and there were a couple other things that seemed 'sketchy'.
It even says on the Vec website that the voltage is 125 volts... not the 140 speced here.
TangentStar wrote:
Yes, definitely not an official repair handbook!
It says :
on the website. I know no more than whats on there.
In regards to the 1:6 gear box ratio and 5000rpm motor limitation:
PLEASE CHECK MY MATHS!
I measured the rear wheel circumference as about 1.53m today.
100km/h : 60min = 1.6666km/min.
1666.6m : 1.53m = 1089.28rpm for the rear wheel.
(Test: 1089rpm(wheel) x 60min x 1.53m(circumference) = 99970.2m = 99.97km/h)
6 x 1089 = 6534rpm for the motor at 100km/h if the ratio of 1:6 was correct for the gearbox.
At a 1:5 gearbox ratio it would be 5 x 1089 = 5445rpm (motor).
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Mr. Mik
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But now I know that this one did work in front of my eyes and my camera:
And it looks a lot like the ones on here:
http://www.gridconnect.com/canboandto.html
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And doesn't this (from the above site) sound good (it's got a penguin in it):
Linux FREE Download Driver
for CAN USB, PCI, Dongle Adapters
pad
DESCRIPTION:
PCAN-Light drivers for LINUX gives you access to all the CAN adapters under LINUX. The PCAN-Light drivers for LINUX need a Kernel Version 2.4 or higher. The complete package is freeware and is distributed under the GPL (Gnu Public License). After several Discussion with one customer we point out that the PCAN-USB low level Part of the Device Driver is confusing code. That means that these source files can be compiled by the GCC compiler (because it is real source code) but it is almost impossible to read the code. The reason for this change is that some of our competitors try to find out how we realize our "fantastic" band width with these small USB controller. If you need more information, contact us. The API (Application Programming Interface) for all the adapters is the same, so it is easy to develop software that runs with all the different CAN adapters Interfaces. At the moment we support the PCI, Parallel, USB, PC/ISA and PC/104 adapters.
Mr. Mik
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Here is a link to the spec sheet for the IGBT module on the motor controller board (Thanks to http://visforvoltage.org/user/raytheham):
http://www.mitsubishichips.com/Global/content/product/power/powermod/intelligentpmod/highspeedswl/pm300cla060_e.pdf
See http://visforvoltage.org/forum/3635-vectux-part-2-open-source-vectrix#comment-20624 for more details.
Mr. Mik
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Click here for details of current requirements for the rear light / break light.
It turns out the rear light uses 13mA at 12V and the break light uses 163mA.
Mr. Mik
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Here you can find information on how to seal the rear end of the battery and motor controller housing so that mice, snakes and large cockroaches cannot get in any longer.
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Dimensions for the pin of the side stand can be found here, in case you lost one...
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Hi All,
I posted this question here since I was looking fro info regarding 'canbus'.
Today, after a full charge and 12 hs resting, I rode the bike very gently, under 30 mph, lights off, during about 15-20 minutes. The odometer marked 12 ktm. I stopped about a minute (the switch remained on) and when continuing I saw the (W)rench orange warning light and the 'canbus' error message.
I stopped the bike, switch off and on after a couple of minutes and that disapeared.
Questions:
1- What 'canbus' does mean, and what could happen?
2- Where can we get a list of common vectrix error messages with less esotheric explanations?
Thanks folks!
Claudio
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Click on "up" again.
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The repair described in that post is holding up well. No problems in over a year and about 6000km.
On one occasion during this time I had to remove the fairing so I could tighten the bolts which hold the side stand mounting plate to the battery container. They had become loose to the point of almost falling out! I refastened them with some loktite to fix the problem for good.
If it feels like your Vectrix' side stand is wobbly, then it probably is! Check it before your scooter drops on its side when you park it, or worse, the stand drops off whilst riding!
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