Details for the XB-700Li

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

Received my 700li on 8/1 and have it on several test runs. I just got back from a round trip commute that totaled 42 miles and my charge meter is just between H and 3/4 full. On the second half of the commute, my top speed dropped from 45kph to 40kph. Note that on a totally full charge, the meter is beyond H.

I cannot charge from the seat post either as another poster indicated.

I have no idea how far it will really go because I don't trust the gauge very much and I don't want to run it out dead somewhere.

I'm in a very flat area but do go over two bridges on the commute and the bike maintains 45kph (or whatever top speed the charge allows at that point). The bike also pulls two riders at 45kph.

It's pretty obvious even to a noob like me that this bike will do a lot more if someone will figure out how the speed is limited.

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

Thanks for that update! Two riders? How much weight was that?

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I'm 200 lbs and I wouldn't dare ask my wife how much she weighs but I'd say she's about 130. I think the manual has 350 lbs as the suggested weight limit. We only rode double for a short distance on flat ground but it was obvious the bike could keep it up. I'm sure it would draw the batteries down quite a bit. We did not try to go up any inclines together. Forgive me for not doing that, but she was screaming to get off the bike.

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

Do the 700Li bikes now in peoples hands appear to have a proper BMS for the string of batteries? I can't seem to find any info about a BMS in the specifications.

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

:O

She was screaming?

Thanks for the info. If you take it up some hills, let us know how it goes.

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

screaming lol my gf is the same way she rode on mine twice and the bike handled it very well...although she gets very nervous at higher speeds and wants me to slow down constantly...lol

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

Okay, I just ordered one, in Black (black/silver, I am told)...

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I finally had the time to open my 700Li Battery to find out more about it.

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Tha battery is very easily removable. It weighs 25 pounds and can be charged outside the bike.

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The battery has a hole on the side by the connector. I believe that is for ventilation. There are six screws holding the battery cover.
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There is a warning sticker on the battery

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Here is the cover off, you can see all the padding and the battery wires.

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Padding off. There are two banks of tightly wrapped batteries surrounded by more black foam padding.
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One bank off the padding. Notice there is no branding or information of any kind. Just green wrapping.
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The only label. No information at all.
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Another look.
I would say it should be fairly easy to replace the batteries in the future. It was very easy to disassemble and assemble back the battery.

So far I got about 100 miles in the bike. I say about because I did not have an odometer on the bike before. I recently installed a bicycle computer to know for sure the speed and total miles ridden. Here is a picture of the computer.

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The computer is designed for regular bicycles and the speed sensor was not designed for this bike. Here is a picture of the speed sensor. Is is not pretty but it works.
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Anyone out there with a better way to mount the sensor?

It would seem like the bike got a bit faster after a few days. Now I can do 22 MPH by my self and 20 MPH with my wife on the passenger seat. We weigh about 310 the two of us. We ride together often, the bike performs well. I found out the hard way that you can not accelerate while using the brake. The throttle handle does not work while braking. That is a nice safety feature. Not good for stopping and going uphills. We have not hills where we live, do not know how it works on hills.
The bike brakes with the electric motor as soon as you press on the brake. Do not know if recharges the battery while braking.

I had only one minor problem so far. The bike will not charge from the seat post. I have to remove it from the battery holder and charge it directly. I do not ride long distances so I charge it every three days. I did contacted Xtreme and they answered right away via email and phone. They said they were going to send me seat connector part. Hopefully that fixes the problem.

Here are some pictures of the controller and cables under the seat.
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Very high tech way of making the harnesses waterproof. The controller had no branding. Seemed like the original sticker was taken off by hand and replaced by 2008 06 numbers.
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One of my speedometer light bulbs went out. Xtreme is sending me a replacement.

I have been looking for a replacement LED lights. I have found several automotive LED lights that are 12 volts. The bike seems to have 56 volt lighting. The 12 volt is not compatible although they look very similar. The Head light bulb reads 56V18/W BLT.
Does anyone know where to get LED lights that are compatible with this?

I have notice that the Canadian Mopeds that are similar to the 700Li have all LED lighting. I would love to change my lights to LED. They are much brighter and use much less electricity.

I will be posting more information later on..

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

Just ordered a black/silver XB-700Li from x-tremescooters.com. Sure hope this thing is worth the money! Thanks to solutionsgem for the plethora of photos - I feel more confident buying one now.

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Re: Details for the XB-700Li

You do know these are backordered until sometime in September, don't you? How did you order it; online, or on the phone?

I sent you a PM.

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Well that's interesting because the X-treme Scooters web site says "Availability: In Stock."

http://www.x-tremescooters.com/electric_bicycles/xb700li/xb700li.html

I bought it from there, and although the page says MSRP $1699.00, the price when it's added to the shopping cart is $1599. If X-treme tells me it's back-ordered, I'll cancel my order with them and order from BaseStationZero instead.

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I have to ask, does this really do 40-45 KPH? If so this is way above the 20 mph limit for the electric bicycle class. Not that I'd mind as this would make the bike that much more attractive than using a moped.

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According to my calculations the bike does around 35 Kilometers per hour or 22 miles per hour. I checked the speed with my hand held GPS and a Bicycle computer I installed in the bike. The speedometer in the bike reads about 10 Kilometers faster. I am sure someone will come up with a way to increase the speed by doing some modifications in the controller. The modifications have been successful on other mopeds from Xtreme with SLA batteries.

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well after taking the governor off my bike my friend was beside me in his van and he said i was up to 43 kph..which aint bad considering i was driving most of the day...

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Where was the governor?

RE: the actual speed being 45kph... my understanding is that there are two versions of this bike - US and Canada. I'm in the US and my speedo hits 45kph on a fresh charge and about 42kph after an hour of riding. I have not clocked it next to an automobile to get an accurate speed but I will try to do that and let you know.

As far as being different stats from the specs, it is very different. The other thing that is a very different spec is the 25-35 miles on a charge. I have gone 45 on a charge without trouble.

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the governor was located under the bike at about midsection, there was a white wire, where it was connected thats where i disconeccted it and bingo...lil more power, if it didnt work it was a simple matter of reconnecting it..

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Hi wolf3510, Is the governor the black box that has a bunch a wires connected under the seat? Does it look like the one I took in my photo? I wonder if your controller and mine are the same. Seems like your bike was made by a different Chinese company. Both bikes look the same but yours have SLA batteries, a three way switch and LED lights. I am right? Are you able to get replacement parts?, for example LED lights. I would love to have LED lights in my bike. However the lights that I have are 56 volts. I have not been able to find replacement LED lights for it. Incandescent lights are not bright at all and waste too much energy.

Thank you for your time

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Indeed, I received an email from Alpha Products International today saying my bike is temporarily out of stock, so I canceled my order with them. I'll probably order from BaseStationZero next month.

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Thank you very much, whitslack. I appreciate your business. :)

Just a note, the XB-700Li is presently backordered nationwide. As these sell out amazingly fast, I would highly suggest anyone considering buying one, do so ASAP as to not risk getting put on another X-Treme waiting list.

In an email I received from X-Treme on Monday 11 August:

We are expecting the XB-700Li's to be in approx. 3-5 weeks, hopefully
sooner. The colors available are as follows: Black on black and blue on
silver.

So also please disregard the "black/silver" option as a database programming error - it is black/black according to X-Treme's Sales Team.

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Hi Solutionsgem The controller on the Dream Ryder ( Wolf's and Mine)is a different controller as we have a CCT type motor that the 700li does not have so the governor is not the same. This does not mean that yours does not have a governor jumper. You will have to look at your controller wiring and look for a fine wire jumper with small single connector, this is usually the speed limit jumper.
As for your lighting you may want to look into installing a 48 to 12 v converter for your lighting then you could use 12v lamps. You would have to research your bikes wiring first.

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Hi Oshawaebiker, Thank you for responding. I will look for the jumper cable.
I was thinking about buying a converter too. The one I found is about $50 shipped. The 12 volt lamps will not fit my scooter's sockets because they are much bigger than the standard 12 volt socket. That means a lot of work and about $100 investment. The manual includes the wiring diagram of the whole bike.
I was hoping I could get LED lights that were specifically designed for this bike like the ones you have in yours. Can you get replacement parts for your bike? Do you know if your bike included the DC To Dc Converter to use the 12V LED lights? or Are the LED lights used in your bike designed for the 48 volts?

Let me know if anyone wants or needs the wiring diagram for the 700Li.

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IMG_0003.jpgThis is the governor on my XB700-Li. It is a single blue wire that was already disconnected for me when the bike arrived. I reconnected it to make sure it was the governor and I could not get above 20kph.

I suspect the governor is disconnected on US models and connected on Canadian models.

I was kind of bummed out after learning that this is the limiter because I'm sick of getting passed by gassy scooters. I suppose the next thing to get more speed will involve solder and shunts.

This is a great bike but I need about 10mph more to feel really comfortable in the traffic I usually ride in. Hopefully someone can figure something because I'm sure this bike will do more than 45kph.

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Hi Solutionsgem. The converter on ours is built into the controller and our lamps are 12v. I thought the lamps sockets were all standard sizes but various formats. I know my old bike (Luyan PB707) was 48v lighting and the bayonet sockets were standard. I reversed engineered an automotive LED lamp to see if I could convert it to 48v. It was not easily done without adding an external drop resistor after the lamp as the size of resistor required would not fit into the lamp housing. I found most of the LED lamps available at an electronic supply store except for the headlamp which is a special high intensity dual beam. They should be available from voltcanada.ca

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The battery voltage actually doesn't matter. The voltage drop across the LED itself is a characteristic of the diode, and it will be much less than 12V, let alone 48V. The LED lamp you can purchase is manufactured with some internal resistance built-in to enable you to hook it up directly to a 12V source. In order to hook it up to a 48V source, you only need to quadruple the resistance in the circuit, so that the current across the LED remains the same.

You need to determine the resistance of the original LED lamp. You can do this with an ohm-meter (be sure to connect it the right way, as LEDs have nearly infinite resistance in the wrong direction), or to get a more accurate answer, you can hook up a current meter in series with the LED and a 12V battery and calculate the lamp's resistance. (12 volts, divided by the current you read, will give you the resistance of the LED lamp.)

Once you have the resistance of the lamp, you just need to find a resistor that has three times that resistance. Put it in series with the LED and the 48V source, and voila, your LED receives the same amount of current and will shine at exactly the same intensity as if you had connected it to a 12V source without the extra resistance.

A final note: You should find a resistor that can handle the current passing through the circuit. I don't know how much current LED headlamps draw, but it's probably more than the typical tiny electronic-circuit resistor can handle. Fortunately, nothing terrible will happen if you use a resistor that can't handle the current: the light will just go out, and you'll find that your resistor is a pile of smoldering ashes. In that case, get a bigger resistor (bigger physically, not higher in resistance value).

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From my experimentation with a standard automotive replacement dual intensity LED replacement that the standard intensity (marker/tail light) drew 10 ma and required an additional 3.5k at 1/2 w resistor.
The High intensity side drew 60ma and required an additional 580 ohms at 2.1 watts and since you would be hard pressed to find a 3w resistor you would probably have to use a 5w. This was done for a 50v source. The current levels given were for a 13.6v dc source.

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I received my Black/Silver 700Li from Scootercatalog.com right to my door via R&L Trucking. It was scheduled for 5 p.m., Aug 10th and arrived on time and in great shape. The driver and I chatted only to find that he was a past owner of an XB600! As stated before, the instruction manual could be a "bit" more detailed. It took two of us two hours to get the bike assembled, the main problem was figuring out how to install the front wheel, bolt, spacer and brake assembly and in which order. Also, accessing the bolt on the handelbar took some effort as there was not much space to get the socket into the assembly to tighten it. As other posters, I also have to remove the battery and charge it directly as the external, beneath the seat socket doesn't seem to be active. I will contact extreme and ask for another socket assembly as a previous poster has done.

Other than that, it was a joy to ride the 4.5 r/t to and from work. The front brake has a bit of chatter, but if applied evenly with the rear brake it isn't as noticable. Tonight I have to tighen a few more loose screws and might even remove the seat to check out the wiring for the on-board recharging outlet to see if there is something I can correct so I don't have to remove the battery for recharging each night.

Oh, I removed the rather cheesy decals and the bike looks much better in the black without them. I did leave the decal that reads' Lithium Battery Hybrid" Now all I have to do is order my plate that will read "No Gas - Just Battery"

Ben - Modesto

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hey thanks Oshawaebiker for letting solutionsgem know about that, ya my experience in electrical stuff is very very limilted, so my description of the governor was about all i could handle, heck i dont even know what or where the controller is or what it does..lol, sorry i wish i could be of better help..

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Thats ok Wolf. That is what we are here for to learn and to pass on our knowledge and experience.

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Hi everyone, onemanprotest You are right the blue wire arrived disconnected in my 700Li too. The 22 MPH is enough most of the times, but I agree with you a faster bike would come in handy. Hopefully some one with more electronics experience can figure something out. If I remember correctly you had the same problem no being able to charge your bike with the battery inside the battery compartment.

us-westcoast just published instructions on how to fix that in a different thread. I tried yesterday and it charges the battery from the seat post. Here are the instructions:

I found these instructions on this thread: http://visforvoltage.org/forum/3547-new-stuff-comin039-teaser-pics

""Hello everybody, we have been following this blog for a while and find it very interesting, but have not seen the need to sign-up or comment until now.
We hope this little gem of info is going to be helpful to all of you who just got their X-Treme 700Li and are unable to charge the battery from the bike connection. We had the same problem, but it bothered us soooooo much to have to recharge the battery by disconnecting and removing it every time, that we came up with this quick and easy solution:
1st of all, turn your bikes ignition key to off.
2nd, remove and disconnect the battery from your bike (safety reasons).
3rd, open the seat; under your seat you will find 2 bolts in the back , left and right of the seat hatch lock, you will find 2 more such bolts inside the little locked compartment all the way on the bottom of your seat compartment.
Unscrew all 4 of these bolts, now the entire seat well will be removable, take it out and put aside.
In the front you will now see the back side of the charging connector.
On this, you will see a red wire on the left side, IGNORE IT.
On the right side you will see a black wire, you need to disconnect this wire from the post.
Now reconnect this black wire to the middle upper post.

When you finish with that, put the seat back, tighten the 4 bolts again, and reconnect your battery to the bike and put back into it's well.

THE PROBLEM IS NOW SOLVED AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CHARGE YOUR BATTERY WITH THE BIKE CONNECTOR.

TOOLS NEEDED:
1x Phillips Screwdriver
1x Solder Iron
1x Core Solder Wire

Happy riding (and now with easy recharging), us_westcoast""

I took some pictures in case more help is needed:

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These four screws are the ones needed to be removed to get to the charger socket cables.

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This is how my charger socket looked after I dis soldered the black cable from its original place and soldered it the middle connector.

It has worked perfectly so far.

benmart congratulations on your 700Li. I was one of the ones that was not able to charge the battery from the seat post. I have not received the new battery charger connector yet. I did not want to wait so I changed the charging wires in the charger connector. I have no idea if that will make any difference in the battery performance. I will keep an eye on the performance.

Oshawaebiker and whitslack thank you for the information on the LED lights. That seems to be much easier to do than buying a DC to DC converter. I will buy me a cheap LED lights and experiment with them. Them if everything works OK I will install the super bright Luxeon led lights that put out 130 lumens each on my Bike. The stock lights are not bright at all and waste much energy.

I am so glad I found this site. The information here is very useful.

Thank you all

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All my troubles aside, this site is awesome! :D

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